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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7494333" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>????</p><p></p><p>I haven't responded to you because I don't care about your accusations typically. I really don't care what you have to say in regards to those acusations, you haven't said anything useful to me at all thus far.</p><p></p><p>I would like to say though, that I have not called him a criminal OR a liar once I learned that he was the source of all your information. I do NOT consider him as such. I have NEVER CLAIMED such. Please do not claim I stated things that I have NOT stated.</p><p></p><p>I think what he said MAY have been misinterpreted by many here, and he was talking something entirely different then what people assume when he was talking about players (meaning he was not talking about active players).</p><p></p><p>What I DID say is that I'm going to wait and see what comes out on the reports to see what is reflected THERE in them. If it turns out he DID mean active players it should be reflected. If he did NOT mean active players but something else (which I entirely expect it will, this I think is the most likely outcome) it will also be clear to those who need to know when the report comes out.</p><p></p><p>IF he meant that those are active players, reinforces it, and the reports don't reflect this...there will be questions most likely asked.</p><p></p><p>If anything I have acknowledged his statements and given them weight on my own part in building on saying if what he stated IS true it makes sense other claims made are also true.</p><p></p><p>If it means that D&D is a major brand now making over 100 million a year, I'll be delighted, mayhaps more than many of you.</p><p></p><p>Overall, I still think the onus is on those making assumptions as to what he actually means in that statement and it might not mean what many think it means, but hey, if he is going to claim 15 million, I'm going to stop talking crossroads at him and saying a different number regardless of what it means or is defined as. </p><p></p><p>I found the source (no thanks to you) of the information, and I'll going to see where it goes.</p><p></p><p>HOWEVER, I really don't care what you think of my "credibility" and from most of your responses it probably would be best if you just pretended I didn't even exist in this thread. If I cared about "credibility" I would probably have probably acted far more differently. I don't really care if people think I'm credible or not. Why should I?</p><p></p><p>Almost anyone I would think are interesting about the early days of TSR have been chased off to one degree or another, and those who are NOT part of WotC's official offices have never really been taken seriously...so what does "credibility" do for me? Even if I was "credible" that just seems like it would be a way to be harassed about a bunch of things that I have no desire to discuss.</p><p></p><p>If people don't find me credible, more power to them. It's their privilege to think one is credible or another is not. It is your privilege as well. I'm not here to discuss my credibility (or yours or most others). YOU can think what you want of AD&D or other editions and I can think what I want. It really doesn't matter what either ONE of us thinks in regards to what actually happened. What happened cannot be changed by you or I or anyone else at this point (unless someone invented a time machine, it might matter to them), what we can do is debate about it.</p><p></p><p>Which is a large amount of what we have done in regards to my thoughts in this thread. Never once stated I needed to be "Credible" nor that I desired to be "credible." I'm sorry if that's what you wanted out of me. That was never my design nor intention. My design was simply to figure out why what I was seeing and read was so different than what seems to be the common narrative on ENworld's 5e forum.</p><p></p><p>At this point, I think I've found the main reason why.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 7494333, member: 4348"] ???? I haven't responded to you because I don't care about your accusations typically. I really don't care what you have to say in regards to those acusations, you haven't said anything useful to me at all thus far. I would like to say though, that I have not called him a criminal OR a liar once I learned that he was the source of all your information. I do NOT consider him as such. I have NEVER CLAIMED such. Please do not claim I stated things that I have NOT stated. I think what he said MAY have been misinterpreted by many here, and he was talking something entirely different then what people assume when he was talking about players (meaning he was not talking about active players). What I DID say is that I'm going to wait and see what comes out on the reports to see what is reflected THERE in them. If it turns out he DID mean active players it should be reflected. If he did NOT mean active players but something else (which I entirely expect it will, this I think is the most likely outcome) it will also be clear to those who need to know when the report comes out. IF he meant that those are active players, reinforces it, and the reports don't reflect this...there will be questions most likely asked. If anything I have acknowledged his statements and given them weight on my own part in building on saying if what he stated IS true it makes sense other claims made are also true. If it means that D&D is a major brand now making over 100 million a year, I'll be delighted, mayhaps more than many of you. Overall, I still think the onus is on those making assumptions as to what he actually means in that statement and it might not mean what many think it means, but hey, if he is going to claim 15 million, I'm going to stop talking crossroads at him and saying a different number regardless of what it means or is defined as. I found the source (no thanks to you) of the information, and I'll going to see where it goes. HOWEVER, I really don't care what you think of my "credibility" and from most of your responses it probably would be best if you just pretended I didn't even exist in this thread. If I cared about "credibility" I would probably have probably acted far more differently. I don't really care if people think I'm credible or not. Why should I? Almost anyone I would think are interesting about the early days of TSR have been chased off to one degree or another, and those who are NOT part of WotC's official offices have never really been taken seriously...so what does "credibility" do for me? Even if I was "credible" that just seems like it would be a way to be harassed about a bunch of things that I have no desire to discuss. If people don't find me credible, more power to them. It's their privilege to think one is credible or another is not. It is your privilege as well. I'm not here to discuss my credibility (or yours or most others). YOU can think what you want of AD&D or other editions and I can think what I want. It really doesn't matter what either ONE of us thinks in regards to what actually happened. What happened cannot be changed by you or I or anyone else at this point (unless someone invented a time machine, it might matter to them), what we can do is debate about it. Which is a large amount of what we have done in regards to my thoughts in this thread. Never once stated I needed to be "Credible" nor that I desired to be "credible." I'm sorry if that's what you wanted out of me. That was never my design nor intention. My design was simply to figure out why what I was seeing and read was so different than what seems to be the common narrative on ENworld's 5e forum. At this point, I think I've found the main reason why. [/QUOTE]
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