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<blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 4400016" data-attributes="member: 3087"><p><strong>This is why someone smarter than I should be doing polls</strong></p><p></p><p>Only CORE</p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957" target="_blank">Atanatotatos</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=33054" target="_blank">Bialaska</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559" target="_blank">covaithe</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=37149" target="_blank">Drowned Hero</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387" target="_blank">Erekose13</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087" target="_blank">Graf</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484" target="_blank">Kobold Stew</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499" target="_blank">NakuruSai</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=54810" target="_blank">renau1g</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970" target="_blank">The Goblin King</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739" target="_blank">Velmont</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=51271" target="_blank">Voda Vosa</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=11843" target="_blank">Zweischneid</a></p><p></p><p>CORE + MM RACES</p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13442" target="_blank">Brother Shatterstone</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559" target="_blank">covaithe</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6078" target="_blank">garyh</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087" target="_blank">Graf</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484" target="_blank">Kobold Stew</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499" target="_blank">NakuruSai</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791" target="_blank">Redclaw</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733" target="_blank">Reveille</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739" target="_blank">Velmont</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Cutting out the people who voted for both (including me, <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" />) from CORE ONLY we have</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957" target="_blank">Atanatotatos</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=33054" target="_blank">Bialaska</a>, <s><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559" target="_blank">covaithe</a></s>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=37149" target="_blank">Drowned Hero</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387" target="_blank">Erekose13</a>, <s><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087" target="_blank">Graf</a></s>, <s><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484" target="_blank">Kobold Stew</a></s>, <s><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499" target="_blank">NakuruSai</a></s>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=54810" target="_blank">renau1g</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970" target="_blank">The Goblin King</a>, <s><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739" target="_blank">Velmont</a></s>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=51271" target="_blank">Voda Vosa</a>, and <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=11843" target="_blank">Zweischneid</a> <strong>= 8</strong></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13442" target="_blank">Brother Shatterstone</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559" target="_blank">covaithe</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6078" target="_blank">garyh</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087" target="_blank">Graf</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484" target="_blank">Kobold Stew</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499" target="_blank">NakuruSai</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791" target="_blank">Redclaw</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733" target="_blank">Reveille</a> and <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739" target="_blank">Velmont</a>.<strong> = 9</strong></p><p></p><p>Technically Core + MM is the "winner" but its very tight.</p><p></p><p>[d]---[/d]</p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957" target="_blank"><s>Atanatotatos</s></a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=33054" target="_blank">Bialaska</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559" target="_blank">covaithe</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=37149" target="_blank">Drowned Hero</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387" target="_blank">Erekose13</a>, [/s]<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087" target="_blank">Graf[/s]</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484" target="_blank">Kobold Stew</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499" target="_blank">NakuruSai</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=54810" target="_blank">renau1g</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970" target="_blank">The Goblin King</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739" target="_blank">Velmont</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=51271" target="_blank">Voda Vosa</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=11843" target="_blank">Zweischneid</a> =11</p><p> <em>Choice: ... material from other official published WotC books</em> </p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=71819" target="_blank">arcanaman</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957" target="_blank">Atanatotatos</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6078" target="_blank">garyh</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087" target="_blank">Graf</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=64844" target="_blank">Halford</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791" target="_blank">Redclaw</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733" target="_blank">Reveille</a></p><p> = <strong>7 votes</strong>.</p><p></p><p>Even assuming that Ata and Graf weren't voting for it <em>Core only </em>dominates.</p><p>[d]---[/d]</p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957" target="_blank"><s>Atanatotatos</s></a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=33054" target="_blank">Bialaska</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559" target="_blank">covaithe</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=37149" target="_blank">Drowned Hero</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387" target="_blank">Erekose13</a>, [/s]<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087" target="_blank">Graf[/s]</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484" target="_blank">Kobold Stew</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499" target="_blank">NakuruSai</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=54810" target="_blank">renau1g</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970" target="_blank">The Goblin King</a>, <s><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739" target="_blank">Velmont</a></s>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=51271" target="_blank">Voda Vosa</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=11843" target="_blank">Zweischneid</a> =10</p><p> <em>Choice: ... material from official online material (dragon/dungeon)</em> </p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=71819" target="_blank">arcanaman</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957" target="_blank">Atanatotatos</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6078" target="_blank">garyh</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087" target="_blank">Graf</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791" target="_blank">Redclaw</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733" target="_blank">Reveille</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739" target="_blank">Velmont</a></p><p></p><p>We've swapped Halford for Velmont but still have 7 votes.</p><p></p><p>So Core Only dominates this catagory.</p><p>[d]---[/d]</p><p></p><p>Looking at the <u>Limits section</u> we see</p><p> <em>Limits: I'd like to have improbable combinations scrutinized more carefully but not banned </em></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13442" target="_blank">Brother Shatterstone</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499" target="_blank">NakuruSai</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791" target="_blank">Redclaw</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=50591" target="_blank">serow</a></p><p></p><p><em>Limits: No restrictions -- totally free</em> <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=71819" target="_blank">arcanaman</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957" target="_blank">Atanatotatos</a>, <s><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387" target="_blank">Erekose13</a></s>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087" target="_blank">Graf</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733" target="_blank">Reveille</a>, <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970" target="_blank"><s>The Goblin King</s></a></p><p></p><p>Again, fairly close BUT, several of the "<em>totally free</em>" people have voted for phb only (they're in strikethrough). </p><p>So it's a <strong>tie</strong>.</p><p></p><p>My interpretation</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Any PhB-only combination will be approved (provided the character has a functional backstory); character may be submitted and approved <strong><em>prior </em>to setting creation</strong> (as discussed in the <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/../wiki/index.php/L4W:Main#L4W_Roadmap" target="_blank">roadmap</a>)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">PhB + MM races will be permitted with <em>some </em>scrutiny*</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">other materials will not be available at game start**</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p>*= Yeah, ok, so its a bit weasily. But what am I going to do? You have to find a middle ground, right? I don't think anyone minds having their character looked at a bit. The best thing to do would be for the onus to be upon the "objector". The objector must raise substantive, real concerns that can be classified and addressed. </p><p></p><p>Three possible areas</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Balance: Is your character too far off the "power curve". (Can a PhB character be created with the same combat profile - roughly the same AC/hit points/damage output/role effectiveness (defender, striker, etc)?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Appropriateness: Does your character fit within the setting? Are there a lot of similar characters already out there? If your character is "rare" (good drow) do you have a convincing rational for your character's existence.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Good RP: Is the character interesting to RP with? To read about? (<em>A hostile psychotic who throws their weight around isn't tremendously interesting to play with</em>)</li> </ul><p></p><p></p><p>Personally I think that only Balance problems should be a reason to reject a character. If the player can demonstrate that their character's combat profile is not out of synch with the PhB (demonstrate a PhB character with similar combat stats) then the character judges should work together with the player to overcome the other two points.</p><p></p><p>[d]---[/d]</p><p>**=Several people have indicated that they are voting for core-only to make it easier to start the setting. Perhaps we should revist the issue three months or so after the setting has started (i.e. #11 in the <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/../wiki/index.php/L4W:Main#L4W_Roadmap" target="_blank">roadmap</a>)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Graf, post: 4400016, member: 3087"] [b]This is why someone smarter than I should be doing polls[/b] Only CORE [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957"]Atanatotatos[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=33054"]Bialaska[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559"]covaithe[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=37149"]Drowned Hero[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387"]Erekose13[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087"]Graf[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484"]Kobold Stew[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499"]NakuruSai[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=54810"]renau1g[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970"]The Goblin King[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739"]Velmont[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=51271"]Voda Vosa[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=11843"]Zweischneid[/URL] CORE + MM RACES [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13442"]Brother Shatterstone[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559"]covaithe[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6078"]garyh[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087"]Graf[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484"]Kobold Stew[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499"]NakuruSai[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791"]Redclaw[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733"]Reveille[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739"]Velmont[/URL] Cutting out the people who voted for both (including me, :blush:) from CORE ONLY we have [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957"]Atanatotatos[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=33054"]Bialaska[/URL], [s][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559"]covaithe[/URL][/s], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=37149"]Drowned Hero[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387"]Erekose13[/URL], [s][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087"]Graf[/URL][/s], [s][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484"]Kobold Stew[/URL][/s], [s][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499"]NakuruSai[/URL][/s], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=54810"]renau1g[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970"]The Goblin King[/URL], [s][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739"]Velmont[/URL][/s], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=51271"]Voda Vosa[/URL], and [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=11843"]Zweischneid[/URL] [B]= 8[/B] [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13442"]Brother Shatterstone[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559"]covaithe[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6078"]garyh[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087"]Graf[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484"]Kobold Stew[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499"]NakuruSai[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791"]Redclaw[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733"]Reveille[/URL] and [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739"]Velmont[/URL].[B] = 9[/B] Technically Core + MM is the "winner" but its very tight. [d]---[/d] [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957"][s]Atanatotatos[/s][/URL][s][/s], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=33054"]Bialaska[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559"]covaithe[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=37149"]Drowned Hero[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387"]Erekose13[/URL], [/s][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087"]Graf[/s][/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484"]Kobold Stew[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499"]NakuruSai[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=54810"]renau1g[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970"]The Goblin King[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739"]Velmont[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=51271"]Voda Vosa[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=11843"]Zweischneid[/URL] =11 [I]Choice: ... material from other official published WotC books[/I] [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=71819"]arcanaman[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957"]Atanatotatos[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6078"]garyh[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087"]Graf[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=64844"]Halford[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791"]Redclaw[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733"]Reveille[/URL] = [B]7 votes[/B]. Even assuming that Ata and Graf weren't voting for it [I]Core only [/I]dominates. [d]---[/d] [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957"][s]Atanatotatos[/s][/URL][s][/s], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=33054"]Bialaska[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46559"]covaithe[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=37149"]Drowned Hero[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387"]Erekose13[/URL], [/s][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087"]Graf[/s][/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23484"]Kobold Stew[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499"]NakuruSai[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=54810"]renau1g[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970"]The Goblin King[/URL], [s][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739"]Velmont[/URL][/s], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=51271"]Voda Vosa[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=11843"]Zweischneid[/URL] =10 [I]Choice: ... material from official online material (dragon/dungeon)[/I] [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=71819"]arcanaman[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957"]Atanatotatos[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=6078"]garyh[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087"]Graf[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791"]Redclaw[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733"]Reveille[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13739"]Velmont[/URL] We've swapped Halford for Velmont but still have 7 votes. So Core Only dominates this catagory. [d]---[/d] Looking at the [U]Limits section[/U] we see [I]Limits: I'd like to have improbable combinations scrutinized more carefully but not banned [/I] [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=13442"]Brother Shatterstone[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=34499"]NakuruSai[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=53791"]Redclaw[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=50591"]serow[/URL] [I]Limits: No restrictions -- totally free[/I] [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=71819"]arcanaman[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=46957"]Atanatotatos[/URL], [s][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3387"]Erekose13[/URL][/s], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=3087"]Graf[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=23733"]Reveille[/URL], [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=10970"][s]The Goblin King[/s][/URL] Again, fairly close BUT, several of the "[I]totally free[/I]" people have voted for phb only (they're in strikethrough). So it's a [B]tie[/B]. My interpretation [list] [*]Any PhB-only combination will be approved (provided the character has a functional backstory); character may be submitted and approved [B][I]prior [/I]to setting creation[/B] (as discussed in the [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/../wiki/index.php/L4W:Main#L4W_Roadmap"]roadmap[/URL]) [*]PhB + MM races will be permitted with [I]some [/I]scrutiny* [*]other materials will not be available at game start** [/list] *= Yeah, ok, so its a bit weasily. But what am I going to do? You have to find a middle ground, right? I don't think anyone minds having their character looked at a bit. The best thing to do would be for the onus to be upon the "objector". The objector must raise substantive, real concerns that can be classified and addressed. Three possible areas [list] [*]Balance: Is your character too far off the "power curve". (Can a PhB character be created with the same combat profile - roughly the same AC/hit points/damage output/role effectiveness (defender, striker, etc)? [*]Appropriateness: Does your character fit within the setting? Are there a lot of similar characters already out there? If your character is "rare" (good drow) do you have a convincing rational for your character's existence. [*]Good RP: Is the character interesting to RP with? To read about? ([I]A hostile psychotic who throws their weight around isn't tremendously interesting to play with[/I]) [/list] Personally I think that only Balance problems should be a reason to reject a character. If the player can demonstrate that their character's combat profile is not out of synch with the PhB (demonstrate a PhB character with similar combat stats) then the character judges should work together with the player to overcome the other two points. [d]---[/d] **=Several people have indicated that they are voting for core-only to make it easier to start the setting. Perhaps we should revist the issue three months or so after the setting has started (i.e. #11 in the [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/../wiki/index.php/L4W:Main#L4W_Roadmap"]roadmap[/URL]) [/QUOTE]
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