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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5855538" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Now this I have to disagree with. By and large, "I attack" is the best option. </p><p></p><p>Any of the maneuvers in 3e, if you don't have the feat to mitigate the penalties, are never, ever better than I attack, because you get whacked with a honking great penalty to try. Why would anyone even consider picking up a second weapon if they haven't paid for two weapon fighting? Try to trip without the feat? Yeah right, you fail, you fall down, you succeed, you burned your attack to deal no damage. Depending on how the initiative order is, you basically just traded in your attack for an AOO and the bad guy loses a move action.</p><p></p><p>Disarm? Monsters outside of humanoids don't use weapons. That leaves Sunder out as well. Grapple? Good luck with that - virtually everything you fight is bigger/stronger/has more legs than you do.</p><p></p><p>Sure, if I laser beam focus on one or two "tricks" and then do nothing but that trick over and over and over again - Trip Fighter comes to mind - then I can do it. But, then, I've basically just shifted "I attack" to "I trip" and then do the same thing, round after round, combat after combat.</p><p></p><p>No thanks. I likes me a bit more versatility than that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5855538, member: 22779"] Now this I have to disagree with. By and large, "I attack" is the best option. Any of the maneuvers in 3e, if you don't have the feat to mitigate the penalties, are never, ever better than I attack, because you get whacked with a honking great penalty to try. Why would anyone even consider picking up a second weapon if they haven't paid for two weapon fighting? Try to trip without the feat? Yeah right, you fail, you fall down, you succeed, you burned your attack to deal no damage. Depending on how the initiative order is, you basically just traded in your attack for an AOO and the bad guy loses a move action. Disarm? Monsters outside of humanoids don't use weapons. That leaves Sunder out as well. Grapple? Good luck with that - virtually everything you fight is bigger/stronger/has more legs than you do. Sure, if I laser beam focus on one or two "tricks" and then do nothing but that trick over and over and over again - Trip Fighter comes to mind - then I can do it. But, then, I've basically just shifted "I attack" to "I trip" and then do the same thing, round after round, combat after combat. No thanks. I likes me a bit more versatility than that. [/QUOTE]
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