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[4e] Paladin (feat) advice needed
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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6819542" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Hey all. I'm very happily back to gaming in 4e again, but I'm looking for some advice do to a slightly unusual situation.</p><p></p><p>My DM is a self-avowed grognard/old-school type who found some 4e books for dirt cheap, thought, "Hey, I wonder what all the fuss was about, and I can do a Let's Read of it as I do." Some issues of phrasing ("ignore the X, get to the FUN (where FUN = combat!!)" aside, he was rather pleased with what he found, and decided to run a campaign to put the system through its paces and such. But he has one big caveat for us (at least for the time being):</p><p></p><p><strong>Only</strong> PHB1 and PHB2 resources. No *Power, no Dragon mag, no PHB3, no Eberron or Dark Sun or features pioneered/starting there (like Themes), no PHB Races stuff. This is of course a little awkward for me, playing a Dragonborn Paladin. Lots of the best Pally support was in DP, and lots of the best Dragonborn stuff is PHBR/Dragon material. I don't at all want to challenge the limit, he has perfectly valid reasons (that I can agree with, even) for it and I have no interest in being That Guy who whines because he can't get the superultrabest "official" content. (I'm already potentially pushing it as it is--DM has said he loves to see mounts used in his campaigns, so I'm trying to see if he'll let me steal the Call Celestial Steed power at level 6, should we make it that far. Here's hoping!)</p><p></p><p>But anyway, that also means that a lot of the best advice floating around out there--Litigation's guide, for example--is a little more difficult to use, particularly for feats. So as an opening question (since I've already made the character and thus all the basic choices are out of the way): </p><p></p><p>We just hit level 2, and I need Athletics training badly. Even if my Strength were the highest it could be, I'd still be scraping a 0 Athletics because of plate+shield armor check penalties, and due to the setting (soft sci-fi/sci-fantasy on an ocean planet) Athletics checks are bound to come up a lot. Is the standard (PHB) Fighter MC feat bad enough that I should look elsewhere? Perhaps Barbarian? We could use a little more offensive oomph, as our party is very support-heavy: Paladin (me), Wizard with Cleric multiclass feat, Bard, Shaman, Ranger.</p><p></p><p>Also: whether or not it's within the PHB 1/2 limit, does anyone know of anything that can reduce the check penalty of armor? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6819542, member: 6790260"] Hey all. I'm very happily back to gaming in 4e again, but I'm looking for some advice do to a slightly unusual situation. My DM is a self-avowed grognard/old-school type who found some 4e books for dirt cheap, thought, "Hey, I wonder what all the fuss was about, and I can do a Let's Read of it as I do." Some issues of phrasing ("ignore the X, get to the FUN (where FUN = combat!!)" aside, he was rather pleased with what he found, and decided to run a campaign to put the system through its paces and such. But he has one big caveat for us (at least for the time being): [B]Only[/B] PHB1 and PHB2 resources. No *Power, no Dragon mag, no PHB3, no Eberron or Dark Sun or features pioneered/starting there (like Themes), no PHB Races stuff. This is of course a little awkward for me, playing a Dragonborn Paladin. Lots of the best Pally support was in DP, and lots of the best Dragonborn stuff is PHBR/Dragon material. I don't at all want to challenge the limit, he has perfectly valid reasons (that I can agree with, even) for it and I have no interest in being That Guy who whines because he can't get the superultrabest "official" content. (I'm already potentially pushing it as it is--DM has said he loves to see mounts used in his campaigns, so I'm trying to see if he'll let me steal the Call Celestial Steed power at level 6, should we make it that far. Here's hoping!) But anyway, that also means that a lot of the best advice floating around out there--Litigation's guide, for example--is a little more difficult to use, particularly for feats. So as an opening question (since I've already made the character and thus all the basic choices are out of the way): We just hit level 2, and I need Athletics training badly. Even if my Strength were the highest it could be, I'd still be scraping a 0 Athletics because of plate+shield armor check penalties, and due to the setting (soft sci-fi/sci-fantasy on an ocean planet) Athletics checks are bound to come up a lot. Is the standard (PHB) Fighter MC feat bad enough that I should look elsewhere? Perhaps Barbarian? We could use a little more offensive oomph, as our party is very support-heavy: Paladin (me), Wizard with Cleric multiclass feat, Bard, Shaman, Ranger. Also: whether or not it's within the PHB 1/2 limit, does anyone know of anything that can reduce the check penalty of armor? :P [/QUOTE]
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