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<blockquote data-quote="Chimera" data-source="post: 4322711" data-attributes="member: 2002"><p>Bard should be Leaders, I would expect nothing less. However, you are incorrect in saying that they should NOT be as powerful as Clerics and Warlords. They should be exactly as powerful in different ways. Why would anyone want to play a Bard if they are specifically LESS powerful than Clerics and Warlords.</p><p></p><p>However, having looked over your class a bit more, I have the following suggestions or comments;</p><p>1> Inspire Courage should last for the entire encounter.</p><p>2> Inspire Competence is not available until 3rd level in 3e. I would suggest removing this from the Class Abilities and making it a Utility ability a few levels up the scale.</p><p>3> Healing is not available until 2nd level in 3e and given their very limited spellcasting and known number of spells, is a CHOICE made by a particular Bard. The only reason I took a healing spell at all was because of a Reserve Feat I got for free. Healing Hymn could be removed from the class ability list and made an Encounter or Utility.</p><p>To be sure, as a Leader class in 4e, they need some kind of healing ability, but as a 2nd level Utility(Encounter), it would be good.</p><p>4> Bards are much more limited spellcasters in 3e than other spellcasting classes. You are changing that significantly. I'm not sure whether or not this is good or bad, but it is different, especially in your granting more spell-like abilities at 1st level.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But all in all, don't take my comments as being harsh or negative. I think you did a great job on putting it together, and I thank you for doing so. I'm just a very interested player of a Bard PC whose campaign is waiting for a usable 4e Bard before we convert our campaign over, and as such, I have a vested interest in being able to do the sort of things my character has always done.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chimera, post: 4322711, member: 2002"] Bard should be Leaders, I would expect nothing less. However, you are incorrect in saying that they should NOT be as powerful as Clerics and Warlords. They should be exactly as powerful in different ways. Why would anyone want to play a Bard if they are specifically LESS powerful than Clerics and Warlords. However, having looked over your class a bit more, I have the following suggestions or comments; 1> Inspire Courage should last for the entire encounter. 2> Inspire Competence is not available until 3rd level in 3e. I would suggest removing this from the Class Abilities and making it a Utility ability a few levels up the scale. 3> Healing is not available until 2nd level in 3e and given their very limited spellcasting and known number of spells, is a CHOICE made by a particular Bard. The only reason I took a healing spell at all was because of a Reserve Feat I got for free. Healing Hymn could be removed from the class ability list and made an Encounter or Utility. To be sure, as a Leader class in 4e, they need some kind of healing ability, but as a 2nd level Utility(Encounter), it would be good. 4> Bards are much more limited spellcasters in 3e than other spellcasting classes. You are changing that significantly. I'm not sure whether or not this is good or bad, but it is different, especially in your granting more spell-like abilities at 1st level. But all in all, don't take my comments as being harsh or negative. I think you did a great job on putting it together, and I thank you for doing so. I'm just a very interested player of a Bard PC whose campaign is waiting for a usable 4e Bard before we convert our campaign over, and as such, I have a vested interest in being able to do the sort of things my character has always done. [/QUOTE]
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