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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9268216" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>After further contemplation, looking at how the Wyrmling and Dragonflies HP & HD go up as the varieties change should help me decide which CON arrangement to go for.</p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Dragonfly<br /> Variety</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">BECMI<br /> HD</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">HP<br /> Ratio</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">5E Uniform<br /> <span style="font-size: 12px">+CON = 0, 1, 2</span></p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">HP<br /> Ratio</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">5E Stagger<br /> <span style="font-size: 12px">0/0/1/1/2/2</span></p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">HP<br /> Ratio</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: right">Wyrmling<br /> Variety</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">5E<br /> HD</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">HP<br /> Ratio</p> </th></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">White</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">3d8</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.0000</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">6d6+6N</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.0000</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">6d6</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.0000</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">White</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">5d8+10</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.0000</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Black</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">3d8</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.1481</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">7d6+7N</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.1666</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">7d6</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.1666</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Black</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">6d8+6</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.0154</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Green</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">4d8</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.3333</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">8d6+8N</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.3333</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">8d6+8</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.7143</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Green</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">7d8+7</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.1846</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Blue</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">4d8+2</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.4815</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">9d6+9N</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.5000</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">9d6+9</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.9286</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Blue</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">8d8+16¹</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.6000</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Red</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">5d8</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.6666</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">10d6+10N</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.6666</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">10d6+20</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">2.6190</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Gold²</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">8d8+24</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.8462</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Gold</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">5d8+2</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.8148</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">11d6+11N</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.8333</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">11d6+22</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">2.8810</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Red²</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">10d8+30</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">2.3077</p> </td></tr></table><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Notes:</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">1 There's a typo in my previous post. 4E Blue Dragon Wyrmlings have HD 8d8+16 not 8d8+15.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">2 I swapped around the Gold Dragon and Red Dragon since Red Wyrmlings are tougher than Golds in 5E, while Gold Dragons & Dragonflies are tougher than Reds in BECMI & AD&D.</span></p><p></p><p>Hmm, so the Fifth Edition Wyrmling Hit Points stay pretty close to each other at first, go up a bit at Blue, and then shoot up at Red & Gold. So if we want the 5E Dragonflies to have a similar HP progression, the best fit I could come up with is a CON modifier progression of 0/0/0/0/0/1 with a slight Hit Dice tweak:</p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Dragonfly</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">Hit Dice</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">HP Ratio</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: right">Wyrmling</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">Hit Dice</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">HP Ratio</p> </th></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">White</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">21 (6d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.0000</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">White</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">5d8+10</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.0000</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Black</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">24 (7d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.1666</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Black</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">6d8+6</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.0154</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Green</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">28 (8d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.3333</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Green</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">7d8+7</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.1846</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Blue</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">35 (10d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.6667</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Blue</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">8d8+16¹</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.6000</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Red</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">38½ (11d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.8333</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Gold²</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">8d8+24</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">1.8462</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Gold</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">49½ (11d6+11)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">2.3571</p> </td><th><p style="text-align: right">Red²</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">10d8+30</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">2.3077</p> </td></tr></table><p></p><p>Don't care for that. The progression is too distorted for my tastes.</p><p></p><p>I prefer the Uniform progression of giving all the Dragonflies the same CON modifier, since it's the closest match to the smooth and uniform linear increase they had in their BECMI and AD&D incarnations.</p><p></p><p>If we go for that, we just need to decide what CON to give them (assuming we're keeping the "start at 6 HD, add +1 HD per variety increase" rule. I'd go for +0, +1 or +2, which is 1 less than the 5E Wyrmlings range of +1, +2, or +3.</p><p></p><p>That'd give one of the following:</p><p></p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Dragonfly</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">Hit Points (+0 CON)</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">Hit Points (+1 CON)</p> </th><th><p style="text-align: center">Hit Points (+2 CON)</p> </th></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">White</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">21 (6d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">27 (6d6+6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">33 (6d6+12)</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Black</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">24½ (7d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">31½ (7d6+7)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">38½ (7d6+14)</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Green</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">28 (8d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">36 (8d6+8)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">44 (8d6+16)</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Blue</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">31½ (9d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">40½ (9d6+9)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">49½ (9d6+18)</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Red</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">35 (10d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">45 (10d6+10)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">55 (10d6+20)</p> </td></tr><tr><th><p style="text-align: right">Gold</p> </th><td><p style="text-align: center">38½ (11d6)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">49½ (11d6+11)</p> </td><td><p style="text-align: center">60½ (11d6+22)</p> </td></tr></table></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9268216, member: 57383"] After further contemplation, looking at how the Wyrmling and Dragonflies HP & HD go up as the varieties change should help me decide which CON arrangement to go for. [TABLE] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Dragonfly Variety[/RIGHT][/TH] [TH][CENTER]BECMI HD[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]HP Ratio[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]5E Uniform [SIZE=3]+CON = 0, 1, 2[/SIZE][/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]HP Ratio[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]5E Stagger [SIZE=3]0/0/1/1/2/2[/SIZE][/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]HP Ratio[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][RIGHT]Wyrmling Variety[/RIGHT][/TH] [TH][CENTER]5E HD[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]HP Ratio[/CENTER][/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]White[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]3d8[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.0000[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]6d6+6N[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.0000[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]6d6[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.0000[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]White[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]5d8+10[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.0000[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Black[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]3d8[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.1481[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]7d6+7N[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.1666[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]7d6[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.1666[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Black[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]6d8+6[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.0154[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Green[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]4d8[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.3333[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]8d6+8N[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.3333[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]8d6+8[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.7143[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Green[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]7d8+7[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.1846[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Blue[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]4d8+2[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.4815[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]9d6+9N[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.5000[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]9d6+9[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.9286[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Blue[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]8d8+16¹[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.6000[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Red[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]5d8[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.6666[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]10d6+10N[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.6666[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]10d6+20[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2.6190[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Gold²[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]8d8+24[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.8462[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Gold[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]5d8+2[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.8148[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]11d6+11N[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.8333[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]11d6+22[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2.8810[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Red²[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]10d8+30[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2.3077[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [SIZE=3][b]Notes:[/b] 1 There's a typo in my previous post. 4E Blue Dragon Wyrmlings have HD 8d8+16 not 8d8+15. 2 I swapped around the Gold Dragon and Red Dragon since Red Wyrmlings are tougher than Golds in 5E, while Gold Dragons & Dragonflies are tougher than Reds in BECMI & AD&D.[/SIZE] Hmm, so the Fifth Edition Wyrmling Hit Points stay pretty close to each other at first, go up a bit at Blue, and then shoot up at Red & Gold. So if we want the 5E Dragonflies to have a similar HP progression, the best fit I could come up with is a CON modifier progression of 0/0/0/0/0/1 with a slight Hit Dice tweak: [TABLE] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Dragonfly[/RIGHT][/TH] [TH][CENTER]Hit Dice[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]HP Ratio[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][RIGHT]Wyrmling[/RIGHT][/TH] [TH][CENTER]Hit Dice[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]HP Ratio[/CENTER][/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]White[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]21 (6d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.0000[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]White[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]5d8+10[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.0000[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Black[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]24 (7d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.1666[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Black[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]6d8+6[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.0154[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Green[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]28 (8d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.3333[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Green[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]7d8+7[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.1846[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Blue[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]35 (10d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.6667[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Blue[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]8d8+16¹[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.6000[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Red[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]38½ (11d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.8333[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Gold²[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]8d8+24[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.8462[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Gold[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]49½ (11d6+11)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2.3571[/CENTER][/TD] [TH][RIGHT]Red²[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]10d8+30[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2.3077[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Don't care for that. The progression is too distorted for my tastes. I prefer the Uniform progression of giving all the Dragonflies the same CON modifier, since it's the closest match to the smooth and uniform linear increase they had in their BECMI and AD&D incarnations. If we go for that, we just need to decide what CON to give them (assuming we're keeping the "start at 6 HD, add +1 HD per variety increase" rule. I'd go for +0, +1 or +2, which is 1 less than the 5E Wyrmlings range of +1, +2, or +3. That'd give one of the following: [TABLE] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Dragonfly[/RIGHT][/TH] [TH][CENTER]Hit Points (+0 CON)[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]Hit Points (+1 CON)[/CENTER][/TH] [TH][CENTER]Hit Points (+2 CON)[/CENTER][/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]White[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]21 (6d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]27 (6d6+6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]33 (6d6+12)[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Black[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]24½ (7d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]31½ (7d6+7)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]38½ (7d6+14)[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Green[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]28 (8d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]36 (8d6+8)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]44 (8d6+16)[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Blue[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]31½ (9d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]40½ (9d6+9)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]49½ (9d6+18)[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Red[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]35 (10d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]45 (10d6+10)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]55 (10d6+20)[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TH][RIGHT]Gold[/RIGHT][/TH] [TD][CENTER]38½ (11d6)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]49½ (11d6+11)[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]60½ (11d6+22)[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/QUOTE]
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