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<blockquote data-quote="TheCosmicKid" data-source="post: 7540825" data-attributes="member: 6683613"><p>You don't answer a question by telling the other person they shouldn't need to ask. I <em>am</em> asking. The only self-truth here is that what you're calling an obvious self-truth obviously isn't.</p><p></p><p>When scholars invoke "self-truth", it's usually a fig-leaf for either a definition or a personal preference. And what you're talking about sure isn't definitional. For that matter, even if you're inclined to dispute that it is, a definition is much more akin to a personal preference than it is to an objective truth (that's why they're so often found together like this), so it wouldn't get you very far.</p><p></p><p>But I'm getting sidetracked. The point I'm trying to make here is that the very form of your own argument ought to be a red flag to you that you're trying to make something objective out of something totally subjective. Not to belabor it, but your very first words are, <em>"My argument is weak.."</em> Really examine what you're telling yourself there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What an extraordinary claim. The first sentence in the 5E PHB is, <em>"The Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game is about storytelling in worlds of swords and sorcery."</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>On what do you base this assessment of likelihood? Do you understand how they think? Do you understand how Wile E. Coyote thinks? Do you understand both of them well enough to judge them dissimilar? I strongly suspect that the answer is "no" to all three questions. So maybe rather than assuming mental deficiency in others where it happens to be convenient for your case, you ought to try engaging with these different playstyles more charitably.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheCosmicKid, post: 7540825, member: 6683613"] You don't answer a question by telling the other person they shouldn't need to ask. I [I]am[/I] asking. The only self-truth here is that what you're calling an obvious self-truth obviously isn't. When scholars invoke "self-truth", it's usually a fig-leaf for either a definition or a personal preference. And what you're talking about sure isn't definitional. For that matter, even if you're inclined to dispute that it is, a definition is much more akin to a personal preference than it is to an objective truth (that's why they're so often found together like this), so it wouldn't get you very far. But I'm getting sidetracked. The point I'm trying to make here is that the very form of your own argument ought to be a red flag to you that you're trying to make something objective out of something totally subjective. Not to belabor it, but your very first words are, [I]"My argument is weak.."[/I] Really examine what you're telling yourself there. What an extraordinary claim. The first sentence in the 5E PHB is, [I]"The Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game is about storytelling in worlds of swords and sorcery."[/I] On what do you base this assessment of likelihood? Do you understand how they think? Do you understand how Wile E. Coyote thinks? Do you understand both of them well enough to judge them dissimilar? I strongly suspect that the answer is "no" to all three questions. So maybe rather than assuming mental deficiency in others where it happens to be convenient for your case, you ought to try engaging with these different playstyles more charitably. [/QUOTE]
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