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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8775386" data-attributes="member: 6799660"><p>Ka is an example of a in-universe Big Name(tm) (like Vecna, the various gods/avatars/chosens-of, or the named devils/demons of various AD&D settings), but in this case from the Mystara setting/BECMI Immortals (instead of gods) rules. Unlike most Immortals (who are generally Humans, Elves, Dwarves, and Halflings), he is an Ascended dinosaur. Most notably he is a protector of ancient cultures and created the Hollow World setting as a living museum for cultures that would otherwise be extinct. Alongside a few elemental forces-style Immortals who are old enough not to remember ever not being an immortal, he's one of the 'always depicted at the top of the pecking order' beings.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think that's been true of every RPG setting that has official cannon and lore. The late-80s-through-90s was just the heyday of fully fleshed out D&D settings and of course the ever-plot-ful (and emotion-drawing) White Wolf World of Darkness original run. Also when a significant number of gamers first got online and started sharing (and fighting over) their game opinions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fundamentally, this all is correct. Every position in nerd-fandom is a piece of territory that must be fought over. Each side will see the other side as having fannish fervor for their position and rabid hatrid for the initial person's view, and each side will view themselves as having been abused (and, given that each side has some persons who will see their own perceived victimhood as an excuse for abuse toward the other side, they are both partially right in this regard). It's not unlike sports team fandom, but it is rather striking that, for all the talk of being a nerd in high school and the abuse the jocks gave, that the people that tend to be the worst to members of nerddom is other nerds peeing around trees. I have a half-formed thread on the subject perpetually in the back of my brain, that I never quite get to writing (in part because it's kind of calling out my own community, which honestly is another example of a nerd being mean to other nerds). </p><p></p><p>Anyways, it's no different than any other beloved/hated bit of IP lore cannon. Some people love it and think it is great, others revile it and think it is horrible, and a subset of both groups consider the other group having that opinion grounds for enmity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 8775386, member: 6799660"] Ka is an example of a in-universe Big Name(tm) (like Vecna, the various gods/avatars/chosens-of, or the named devils/demons of various AD&D settings), but in this case from the Mystara setting/BECMI Immortals (instead of gods) rules. Unlike most Immortals (who are generally Humans, Elves, Dwarves, and Halflings), he is an Ascended dinosaur. Most notably he is a protector of ancient cultures and created the Hollow World setting as a living museum for cultures that would otherwise be extinct. Alongside a few elemental forces-style Immortals who are old enough not to remember ever not being an immortal, he's one of the 'always depicted at the top of the pecking order' beings. I think that's been true of every RPG setting that has official cannon and lore. The late-80s-through-90s was just the heyday of fully fleshed out D&D settings and of course the ever-plot-ful (and emotion-drawing) White Wolf World of Darkness original run. Also when a significant number of gamers first got online and started sharing (and fighting over) their game opinions. Fundamentally, this all is correct. Every position in nerd-fandom is a piece of territory that must be fought over. Each side will see the other side as having fannish fervor for their position and rabid hatrid for the initial person's view, and each side will view themselves as having been abused (and, given that each side has some persons who will see their own perceived victimhood as an excuse for abuse toward the other side, they are both partially right in this regard). It's not unlike sports team fandom, but it is rather striking that, for all the talk of being a nerd in high school and the abuse the jocks gave, that the people that tend to be the worst to members of nerddom is other nerds peeing around trees. I have a half-formed thread on the subject perpetually in the back of my brain, that I never quite get to writing (in part because it's kind of calling out my own community, which honestly is another example of a nerd being mean to other nerds). Anyways, it's no different than any other beloved/hated bit of IP lore cannon. Some people love it and think it is great, others revile it and think it is horrible, and a subset of both groups consider the other group having that opinion grounds for enmity. [/QUOTE]
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