Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
5e: Stat the Lady of Pain...so we can overthrow her
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Dungeonosophy" data-source="post: 8781262" data-attributes="member: 6688049"><p>Well, I'm glad for the empathy at least. Thank you friend!</p><p></p><p>Aw, I'm glad it isn't as bad.</p><p></p><p>I'm really baffled/amazed about how and why this thread got resurrected! 10 years later! Was someone googling "slay the Lady of Pain" or what? Or was someone tracking down all my ancient posts for some arcane reason unknown to humankind-at-large? Oh well, in any case, I don't mind discussing this ancient topic.</p><p></p><p>My OP, and my subsequent posts, were written in the gonzo over-the-top tone of a handle-bar-moustachioed Dungeon-Crawl Classics hero. I feel sorrow that at least one person experienced this jesting tonality as poisonous / toxic. I don't want any dear person to feel ill.</p><p></p><p>And I admit and apologize: it was one-sided of me to not include "unlady-like" alongside "unmanly." Or better yet, "unheroic" or "ungamely" (is that a word?) -- I mean in regard to the meek mindset which 2E's "unbeatable gods" inculcated into players.</p><p></p><p>My point wasn't about gender. In a following post, I called the same wrath down upon the High God of Krynn, Lord Ao of Toril, and the Dungeon Master of the Cartoon Show. All of whom have been portrayed as male-ish figures, so far. I singled out the Lady of Pain because she was (in the 2E cosmology), literally the Center of the Multiverse.</p><p></p><p>I was also making some other points, such as how gray snarky nihilism was placed at the center of the 2E Multiverse. When I posted that in 2012, I didn't want to see that "unquestionable gray nihilism" to be central in 4E and 5E. I'm vindicated by the turn toward "hope punk" in the Radiant Citadel.</p><p></p><p>I remember when 2E Legends & Lore came out, and it now said that you couldn't fight or slay gods anymore. It was part of 2E's "niceness." (No demons, no devils, no assassins, no slaying deities.)</p><p></p><p>I mean, up until then, there were entire products devoted to that! Namely, AD&D Deities & Demigod stats and BECMI Immortal-level boxed set. It was part of the game.</p><p></p><p>Then came Zeb Cook's cold, heavy, "nice" boot in 2E which tamped down the D&D players, with a tonality like: "Puny punks...now you're not allowed to fight the gods. How dare you!"</p><p></p><p>And that cowed mindset has continued in some segments of D&D fandom. It'd be like having a Marvel RPG that said that you simply couldn't play at the Cosmic level anymore, and no longer allowed to fight and defeat Cosmic opponents. That's what I mean by lame and meek.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, 3E statted out the gods, thankfully. But 3E didn't get around to statting out the Lady of Pain.</p><p></p><p>I agree with most of the points Vaalingrade made.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dungeonosophy, post: 8781262, member: 6688049"] Well, I'm glad for the empathy at least. Thank you friend! Aw, I'm glad it isn't as bad. I'm really baffled/amazed about how and why this thread got resurrected! 10 years later! Was someone googling "slay the Lady of Pain" or what? Or was someone tracking down all my ancient posts for some arcane reason unknown to humankind-at-large? Oh well, in any case, I don't mind discussing this ancient topic. My OP, and my subsequent posts, were written in the gonzo over-the-top tone of a handle-bar-moustachioed Dungeon-Crawl Classics hero. I feel sorrow that at least one person experienced this jesting tonality as poisonous / toxic. I don't want any dear person to feel ill. And I admit and apologize: it was one-sided of me to not include "unlady-like" alongside "unmanly." Or better yet, "unheroic" or "ungamely" (is that a word?) -- I mean in regard to the meek mindset which 2E's "unbeatable gods" inculcated into players. My point wasn't about gender. In a following post, I called the same wrath down upon the High God of Krynn, Lord Ao of Toril, and the Dungeon Master of the Cartoon Show. All of whom have been portrayed as male-ish figures, so far. I singled out the Lady of Pain because she was (in the 2E cosmology), literally the Center of the Multiverse. I was also making some other points, such as how gray snarky nihilism was placed at the center of the 2E Multiverse. When I posted that in 2012, I didn't want to see that "unquestionable gray nihilism" to be central in 4E and 5E. I'm vindicated by the turn toward "hope punk" in the Radiant Citadel. I remember when 2E Legends & Lore came out, and it now said that you couldn't fight or slay gods anymore. It was part of 2E's "niceness." (No demons, no devils, no assassins, no slaying deities.) I mean, up until then, there were entire products devoted to that! Namely, AD&D Deities & Demigod stats and BECMI Immortal-level boxed set. It was part of the game. Then came Zeb Cook's cold, heavy, "nice" boot in 2E which tamped down the D&D players, with a tonality like: "Puny punks...now you're not allowed to fight the gods. How dare you!" And that cowed mindset has continued in some segments of D&D fandom. It'd be like having a Marvel RPG that said that you simply couldn't play at the Cosmic level anymore, and no longer allowed to fight and defeat Cosmic opponents. That's what I mean by lame and meek. Yeah, 3E statted out the gods, thankfully. But 3E didn't get around to statting out the Lady of Pain. I agree with most of the points Vaalingrade made. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
5e: Stat the Lady of Pain...so we can overthrow her
Top