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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 7294135" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>Hello</p><p></p><p>I would like to start by noting I only saw this post of yours today. You seem... rather annoyed. I'm not sure if it's in response to something I said or someone else. I hope we can talk about this without rancor, and I will do my best not to be snippy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are quite correct that some fires can burn under water, this is a well known fact. I will note that quano has a high content of potassium nitrate (or is *commonly believed* to be so), which acts as the oxidizer - the spell material components are actually a sort of reference to the recipe for black powder. If you were trying to argue that a fireball would work in space, I would agree with you.</p><p></p><p>However, this is the part I cannot agree with: "causing the water to flash boil". As I demonstrated above, boiling a 950 ton sphere of water takes *enormous* amounts of energy. Could a spell provide that much energy? Sure? But it would be be a much higher level spell, and do waaaay more damage. This is the core of my argument. </p><p></p><p>I also have rebuttals for how water works to suppress fires, water and bullets etc etc, but that's peripheral, and I'm not interested in "wining an argument on the internet" if it makes you angry. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is more of a philosophical difference at this point than a physics one. I can't claim to be right here. But I will note that, from my perspective, we sort of have to assume that the normalish laws of physics apply (gravity pulls down, ordinary fire needs oxygen, mass is constant etc etc), until magic intervenes. Fireball creates a very short-lived sphere of fire, which then interacts with the environment. If you want to have "fireball does damage under water because it's magical!" Sure! It's your game, and why not, it is magic. If you say it flash boils 950 tons of water, then... that's harder to defend, and raises a lot of questions (does it flashboil everyone inside too? Perhaps water is easier to boil on this universe? Elemental lords get involved?)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 7294135, member: 23"] Hello I would like to start by noting I only saw this post of yours today. You seem... rather annoyed. I'm not sure if it's in response to something I said or someone else. I hope we can talk about this without rancor, and I will do my best not to be snippy. You are quite correct that some fires can burn under water, this is a well known fact. I will note that quano has a high content of potassium nitrate (or is *commonly believed* to be so), which acts as the oxidizer - the spell material components are actually a sort of reference to the recipe for black powder. If you were trying to argue that a fireball would work in space, I would agree with you. However, this is the part I cannot agree with: "causing the water to flash boil". As I demonstrated above, boiling a 950 ton sphere of water takes *enormous* amounts of energy. Could a spell provide that much energy? Sure? But it would be be a much higher level spell, and do waaaay more damage. This is the core of my argument. I also have rebuttals for how water works to suppress fires, water and bullets etc etc, but that's peripheral, and I'm not interested in "wining an argument on the internet" if it makes you angry. This is more of a philosophical difference at this point than a physics one. I can't claim to be right here. But I will note that, from my perspective, we sort of have to assume that the normalish laws of physics apply (gravity pulls down, ordinary fire needs oxygen, mass is constant etc etc), until magic intervenes. Fireball creates a very short-lived sphere of fire, which then interacts with the environment. If you want to have "fireball does damage under water because it's magical!" Sure! It's your game, and why not, it is magic. If you say it flash boils 950 tons of water, then... that's harder to defend, and raises a lot of questions (does it flashboil everyone inside too? Perhaps water is easier to boil on this universe? Elemental lords get involved?) [/QUOTE]
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