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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 6501752" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>Yes, the OP's link is busted. (Thanks [MENTION=1]Morrus[/MENTION] for the re-post! That turned out to be <em>even more</em> helpful.)</p><p></p><p>It seems like a lot of the issues with this adventure have been summed up with the idea that it's really, really hard to set expectations when you're dealing with a mass-market product. Different DMs expect different things and unless you're super-explicit you will definitely disappoint some people. Not being incredibly overt about challenging battles, not being specific enough that "DM fiat" is a very necessary part of running this adventure, not being even more blatant about the idea that you can and should skip over some things offered depending on your group's size / composition... It's tough to do all those things and then also stay under pagecount while delivering a coherent adventure. And then throw in some random poor edits and the rules shift under your feet, and it ends with lots of complaint threads. (Not to mention the idea brought up that 4.0 players would almost definitely expect a more explicit series of encounters and the entire idea of skipping and handwaving might be more new to them.)</p><p></p><p>In some ways this is almost a positive since the idea that so many new perspectives are coming to view this product means 5.0 must be doing well! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> But in the end, there is a huge area between "sandbox" and "everything is scripted" and you just have to do the best you can.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 6501752, member: 9789"] Yes, the OP's link is busted. (Thanks [MENTION=1]Morrus[/MENTION] for the re-post! That turned out to be [i]even more[/i] helpful.) It seems like a lot of the issues with this adventure have been summed up with the idea that it's really, really hard to set expectations when you're dealing with a mass-market product. Different DMs expect different things and unless you're super-explicit you will definitely disappoint some people. Not being incredibly overt about challenging battles, not being specific enough that "DM fiat" is a very necessary part of running this adventure, not being even more blatant about the idea that you can and should skip over some things offered depending on your group's size / composition... It's tough to do all those things and then also stay under pagecount while delivering a coherent adventure. And then throw in some random poor edits and the rules shift under your feet, and it ends with lots of complaint threads. (Not to mention the idea brought up that 4.0 players would almost definitely expect a more explicit series of encounters and the entire idea of skipping and handwaving might be more new to them.) In some ways this is almost a positive since the idea that so many new perspectives are coming to view this product means 5.0 must be doing well! :) But in the end, there is a huge area between "sandbox" and "everything is scripted" and you just have to do the best you can. [/QUOTE]
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