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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 7734898" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>Well, I think that the fact that this KS might raise $1-$2 million is blinding people from the other facts.</p><p>#1 This is not just an RPG KS, this is a RPG book, miniature dragons and Streaming KS.</p><p>#2 If your just backing this for the RPG book, your not getting overly much compared to the competition.</p><p>#3 MattColville is trading on his popularity, which is fine imho, because he's earned that through hard work.</p><p></p><p>Let's compare this to a publisher like Paizo with their Pathfinder products. A $40 product like Pathfinder Mythic Adventures or Unchained has 256 pages, about double what Strongholds was planned for. The Pathfinder PDF only costs $10 and the Strongholds PDF costs $20. When ordering online you can easily get a 25% discount through avenues like Amazon.com. So your getting not all that much bang for the buck... If they do wind up getting to the 256 page mark your getting just about as much 'worth' from this as similar commercially available products at a similar pricepoinmt, but your just preordering it without any idea about the quality in it, no reviews. It would also contain an odd conglomeration of content</p><p></p><p>The Gem dragons look like there's one advanced piece of artwork for it, but no actual sculpts yet.</p><p></p><p>Now the biggest part of the KS is the Streaming section. While I do watch some Youtube channels and the occasional live stream, I haven't watched any RPGs. The problem for me is that the folks doing that need both a good voice for it and have something interesting to say (and for me to listen too). That's already problematic for most Youtube channels with one presenter, for an RPG you'll quickly need 5+ people with those qualities. And add to that, a practicing good DM (as opposed to a theoretical good DM)... That's a tall order. Matt might do that, he might not. But apparently he's convinced many he can, good for him, he's done a ton of work for it making videos and giving advice on forums. But that does make the streaming part of the equation the overbearing part.</p><p></p><p>The 7th Sea KS did create 2500+ pages of gaming content plus two novels. Officially for the Strongholds KS, only 128 pages has been created. <em>Maybe </em>double that...</p><p></p><p>So IF a streamer asks his fans: "Please buy this book so that I can get a streaming studio going!" that much different from Patreon where people pay you x amount for every video you release (for free)? Patreon he hates, but KS he loves... When I look at Patreons that stream/Youtube, the views, the subscribers, etc. You would need to run about 16-17 years of Patreon to raise $2 million with those numbers. Even the biggest Patreons would need to run 1.5-2 years to raise that kind of money...</p><p></p><p>I'm not a MattColville hater, I think he's done some wonderful stuff. But this being a 'change' to the industry... Not really, there's after all less content here the some of the $20k KS projects...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 7734898, member: 725"] Well, I think that the fact that this KS might raise $1-$2 million is blinding people from the other facts. #1 This is not just an RPG KS, this is a RPG book, miniature dragons and Streaming KS. #2 If your just backing this for the RPG book, your not getting overly much compared to the competition. #3 MattColville is trading on his popularity, which is fine imho, because he's earned that through hard work. Let's compare this to a publisher like Paizo with their Pathfinder products. A $40 product like Pathfinder Mythic Adventures or Unchained has 256 pages, about double what Strongholds was planned for. The Pathfinder PDF only costs $10 and the Strongholds PDF costs $20. When ordering online you can easily get a 25% discount through avenues like Amazon.com. So your getting not all that much bang for the buck... If they do wind up getting to the 256 page mark your getting just about as much 'worth' from this as similar commercially available products at a similar pricepoinmt, but your just preordering it without any idea about the quality in it, no reviews. It would also contain an odd conglomeration of content The Gem dragons look like there's one advanced piece of artwork for it, but no actual sculpts yet. Now the biggest part of the KS is the Streaming section. While I do watch some Youtube channels and the occasional live stream, I haven't watched any RPGs. The problem for me is that the folks doing that need both a good voice for it and have something interesting to say (and for me to listen too). That's already problematic for most Youtube channels with one presenter, for an RPG you'll quickly need 5+ people with those qualities. And add to that, a practicing good DM (as opposed to a theoretical good DM)... That's a tall order. Matt might do that, he might not. But apparently he's convinced many he can, good for him, he's done a ton of work for it making videos and giving advice on forums. But that does make the streaming part of the equation the overbearing part. The 7th Sea KS did create 2500+ pages of gaming content plus two novels. Officially for the Strongholds KS, only 128 pages has been created. [I]Maybe [/I]double that... So IF a streamer asks his fans: "Please buy this book so that I can get a streaming studio going!" that much different from Patreon where people pay you x amount for every video you release (for free)? Patreon he hates, but KS he loves... When I look at Patreons that stream/Youtube, the views, the subscribers, etc. You would need to run about 16-17 years of Patreon to raise $2 million with those numbers. Even the biggest Patreons would need to run 1.5-2 years to raise that kind of money... I'm not a MattColville hater, I think he's done some wonderful stuff. But this being a 'change' to the industry... Not really, there's after all less content here the some of the $20k KS projects... [/QUOTE]
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