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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 7734911" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>Kickstarter changed funding for gaming about six years ago with Zombicide by CMoN for the larger audience, Reaper Miniatures followed a little later with their miniatures range...</p><p></p><p>BUT I think in RPG land things changed much, much sooner then that, mostly through communities like ENWorld. Remember Ptolus:City of the Spire, a massive book that could only be made if they could print a 1000+? They did a massive preorder on that for a $120, almost 700 page, book. I ordered mine then and still have it! More info: <a href="https://www.montecookgames.com/monte-says-ptolus-10-years-later/" target="_blank">https://www.montecookgames.com/monte-says-ptolus-10-years-later/</a></p><p></p><p>As for game stores, imho already old news when electronic products became a significant part of the market, back in 2001 when RPGnow started and expanded further with DTRPG in 2004. To be honest, RPG book availability was already an issue in many FLGS just before the D&D 3E resurgence and D20 glut. I suspect that many retailers that are still in business are VERY careful with 5E OGL products.</p><p></p><p>As for whether or not there is an already saturated market for this (and other) book(s) depends on the target audience and product quality. When Zombicide was funded through KS, many gamestore owners threw a hissyfit that KS and CMoN/Gilliotine were cannibalizing their sales and 'boycoted' the Zombicide products. Many actual business men/women did stock the game because it was a popular product that was very much in demand and made money of those products. I suspect that many of those hissyfit throwers weren't long in business anyway if they let their personal feelings interfere to that extend with their business decisions. But I've heard similar comments as recently as Zombicide: Black Plague from newer FLGS owners, go figure...</p><p></p><p>Something like Kingdom of Death: Monster will have reached it's saturation point by now, especially with a $400 starter box. Other things like this Stronghold book won't reach market saturation with around 20.000 books, if it's any good. Because many people either don't buy through KS, didn't hear about it after it was funded or came out. Many might also keep it in stock because it's made by a famous RPG personality. If the RIngmaster wasn't co-written by Jerry Spring (at least, he has his name on it), not many bookstores would have carried it. The same goes for Monte Cook, how many sales were made based on his name alone?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 7734911, member: 725"] Kickstarter changed funding for gaming about six years ago with Zombicide by CMoN for the larger audience, Reaper Miniatures followed a little later with their miniatures range... BUT I think in RPG land things changed much, much sooner then that, mostly through communities like ENWorld. Remember Ptolus:City of the Spire, a massive book that could only be made if they could print a 1000+? They did a massive preorder on that for a $120, almost 700 page, book. I ordered mine then and still have it! More info: [url]https://www.montecookgames.com/monte-says-ptolus-10-years-later/[/url] As for game stores, imho already old news when electronic products became a significant part of the market, back in 2001 when RPGnow started and expanded further with DTRPG in 2004. To be honest, RPG book availability was already an issue in many FLGS just before the D&D 3E resurgence and D20 glut. I suspect that many retailers that are still in business are VERY careful with 5E OGL products. As for whether or not there is an already saturated market for this (and other) book(s) depends on the target audience and product quality. When Zombicide was funded through KS, many gamestore owners threw a hissyfit that KS and CMoN/Gilliotine were cannibalizing their sales and 'boycoted' the Zombicide products. Many actual business men/women did stock the game because it was a popular product that was very much in demand and made money of those products. I suspect that many of those hissyfit throwers weren't long in business anyway if they let their personal feelings interfere to that extend with their business decisions. But I've heard similar comments as recently as Zombicide: Black Plague from newer FLGS owners, go figure... Something like Kingdom of Death: Monster will have reached it's saturation point by now, especially with a $400 starter box. Other things like this Stronghold book won't reach market saturation with around 20.000 books, if it's any good. Because many people either don't buy through KS, didn't hear about it after it was funded or came out. Many might also keep it in stock because it's made by a famous RPG personality. If the RIngmaster wasn't co-written by Jerry Spring (at least, he has his name on it), not many bookstores would have carried it. The same goes for Monte Cook, how many sales were made based on his name alone? [/QUOTE]
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