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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 7459019" data-attributes="member: 6698278"><p>Well I keep using different names in an attempt to keep the peace. There is a class of mechanic, name it what you will (and it has nothing to do with 80's games of necessity). I've used many names for it and everyone wants to fight every single time on the name. So we can't can't discuss anything because the other side just derails the conversation.</p><p></p><p>And I don't care about someone with your tastes playing in my specific game. I think you'd likely be unhappy and end up making everyone else unhappy with your discontent. I would not likely be happy in your game either. I am not worried about make every GROUP open to every playstyle. If I had a goal, and I don't now that the game is out, it would have been for the game to be open to all playstyles so people could group to the playstyle they prefer. </p><p></p><p>But these things I find objectionable are just as objectionable when done with a different character than mine. When everyone in your group comes up with a really great name except for one guy who calls himself "Bob", what is your reaction? Doesn't his lack of commitment to the type of game bother you? Now if it's intended to be a comedy that is fine. I don't tend to play those types of games.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That though does not of necessity relate to my post. Yes we can bring up everything I've ever argued about on any thread with any earnestness. Realize though that many people played 1e, 2e, and 3e without feeling like the fighter was overshadowed. The rogue, sure maybe and I've said how I'd fix that. So for us the cure is worse than the problem. But that is beside the point to my original post. I have tried really hard I think to keep us focused here. You like a certain style of play and you have certain views on what makes a good game. We don't agree. Guess what? My players are having loads of fun. I could run a campaign every night of the week if I wanted to. So we are doing it right. I can only assume that you and your players are having fun as well playing the way you are playing. If so, then you are doing it right. We are arguing about entertainment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again this is off topic. I am not going to justify my tastes. They are my tastes and they are what I like. I don't care if you don't like them. Good for you. And I really don't care if you play differently. How does that affect me? I asked a simple question on how to avoid mechanics that are objectionable to ME. That is all we need to know for this thread. It's intent is not to rehash all of the edition wars. You guys (or others like you of course not you specifically) tried for years (LITERALLY) to convince me my tastes were wrong. Didn't work. Can we agree to just let that go? If you don't want to help out someone like me then I suggest a variety of other threads you can peruse.</p><p></p><p>SO.... let's all stay on topic. How to find/fix/houserule/etc.. various fantasy games to avoid these mechanics I do not prefer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 7459019, member: 6698278"] Well I keep using different names in an attempt to keep the peace. There is a class of mechanic, name it what you will (and it has nothing to do with 80's games of necessity). I've used many names for it and everyone wants to fight every single time on the name. So we can't can't discuss anything because the other side just derails the conversation. And I don't care about someone with your tastes playing in my specific game. I think you'd likely be unhappy and end up making everyone else unhappy with your discontent. I would not likely be happy in your game either. I am not worried about make every GROUP open to every playstyle. If I had a goal, and I don't now that the game is out, it would have been for the game to be open to all playstyles so people could group to the playstyle they prefer. But these things I find objectionable are just as objectionable when done with a different character than mine. When everyone in your group comes up with a really great name except for one guy who calls himself "Bob", what is your reaction? Doesn't his lack of commitment to the type of game bother you? Now if it's intended to be a comedy that is fine. I don't tend to play those types of games. That though does not of necessity relate to my post. Yes we can bring up everything I've ever argued about on any thread with any earnestness. Realize though that many people played 1e, 2e, and 3e without feeling like the fighter was overshadowed. The rogue, sure maybe and I've said how I'd fix that. So for us the cure is worse than the problem. But that is beside the point to my original post. I have tried really hard I think to keep us focused here. You like a certain style of play and you have certain views on what makes a good game. We don't agree. Guess what? My players are having loads of fun. I could run a campaign every night of the week if I wanted to. So we are doing it right. I can only assume that you and your players are having fun as well playing the way you are playing. If so, then you are doing it right. We are arguing about entertainment. Again this is off topic. I am not going to justify my tastes. They are my tastes and they are what I like. I don't care if you don't like them. Good for you. And I really don't care if you play differently. How does that affect me? I asked a simple question on how to avoid mechanics that are objectionable to ME. That is all we need to know for this thread. It's intent is not to rehash all of the edition wars. You guys (or others like you of course not you specifically) tried for years (LITERALLY) to convince me my tastes were wrong. Didn't work. Can we agree to just let that go? If you don't want to help out someone like me then I suggest a variety of other threads you can peruse. SO.... let's all stay on topic. How to find/fix/houserule/etc.. various fantasy games to avoid these mechanics I do not prefer. [/QUOTE]
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