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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 7460810" data-attributes="member: 6698278"><p>I get the concept. Don't you agree that you calling it "the fiction" indicates a certain perspective on playstyle? It's not about feeling and thinking as your character. It's about creating a story with your character but the player does not share anything with the character (talking viewpoints here).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They are an abstraction, perhaps a poor one, and not metagame. The player has to interpret information coming from the DM and translate it down to the character. Once he has received the information, the character can then act as the character. It is a conceit of all roleplaying games that information has to be passed verbally from the DM to the player to the character. As long as the information describes the world etc.. then it's not metagame. Hit points are just a way of telling the character how close he is to death. We can have another thread and argue what THAT means but abstractly it means that. In my campaign, that is absolutely character knowledge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is related to that. So you have character view only, director, and author. I want character view only. A director will make decisions for the character that cannot possibly be character decisions. Like accepting a fate point. An author will go further. An author will as the player be able to actually bring new information into the world that does not come from his character's genuine knowledge. So all three of these approaches are popular. They probably were discovered in the order I listed them. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks. That is a good idea. I think I suggested that as one of my options above. It's a hypothetical solution though because simultaneously I'd be changing the healing system anyway for reasons not related to metagame issues.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 7460810, member: 6698278"] I get the concept. Don't you agree that you calling it "the fiction" indicates a certain perspective on playstyle? It's not about feeling and thinking as your character. It's about creating a story with your character but the player does not share anything with the character (talking viewpoints here). They are an abstraction, perhaps a poor one, and not metagame. The player has to interpret information coming from the DM and translate it down to the character. Once he has received the information, the character can then act as the character. It is a conceit of all roleplaying games that information has to be passed verbally from the DM to the player to the character. As long as the information describes the world etc.. then it's not metagame. Hit points are just a way of telling the character how close he is to death. We can have another thread and argue what THAT means but abstractly it means that. In my campaign, that is absolutely character knowledge. It is related to that. So you have character view only, director, and author. I want character view only. A director will make decisions for the character that cannot possibly be character decisions. Like accepting a fate point. An author will go further. An author will as the player be able to actually bring new information into the world that does not come from his character's genuine knowledge. So all three of these approaches are popular. They probably were discovered in the order I listed them. Thanks. That is a good idea. I think I suggested that as one of my options above. It's a hypothetical solution though because simultaneously I'd be changing the healing system anyway for reasons not related to metagame issues. [/QUOTE]
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