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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7466316" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>Are you genuinely arguing in any good faith or from any desire for nuance when you write this stuff, Ovinomancer? Or are you being argumentative just for the sake of it? </p><p></p><p>No, it is not an error. It is true that "human beings have water in them" and that "human beings are composed of water," though not in our entirety as the human person consists of a variety of elements and compounds. There is no need for you to be obtuse in misconstruing basic parlance of the latter though. </p><p></p><p>It would be inaccurate to characterize magic as a background field in D&D 5e; it suffuses, infuses, permeates, pervades all matter and energy of existence. We are told that on a fundamental level, everything has a magical or supernatural character, albeit to differing degrees and expressions. </p><p></p><p>My example about humans and water presented a closed system: the composition of the human person. I am not arguing that because humans are composed of water, therefore diamonds have water in them. The matter of "water" pertained to humans alone. I thought that point was obvious. </p><p></p><p>Sure, in the same way that you are intentionally misconstruing my argument. But I suspect that I have found what may be the root of the problem in our disagreement here: you. I have not said or made the argument "everything is magic." I said that "everything is magical." But your misconstrual of my argument does appear eerily similar to my earlier analogy, where you equate my statement "humans are composed of water" to the ridiculous reading of my argument to mean that "humans are water." </p><p></p><p>Could you please stop repeating this mantra as a condescending means to dismiss me and the argument? There is no good faith to be found with that. </p><p></p><p>But it is a part of things, and we are told at repeated points that it is. To be a part of something does not mean composed entirely of the thing, but it is a fundamental building block of all matter and energy in D&D's cosmos. </p><p></p><p>You know what you are doing here? This: You are misreading me, and you seem hellbent for some undetermined to be doing it on purpose, especially since you came into this thread guns blazing, not about any real thread topic but about my person. So please go with what my words say rather than what you want them to say for your agenda.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7466316, member: 5142"] Are you genuinely arguing in any good faith or from any desire for nuance when you write this stuff, Ovinomancer? Or are you being argumentative just for the sake of it? No, it is not an error. It is true that "human beings have water in them" and that "human beings are composed of water," though not in our entirety as the human person consists of a variety of elements and compounds. There is no need for you to be obtuse in misconstruing basic parlance of the latter though. It would be inaccurate to characterize magic as a background field in D&D 5e; it suffuses, infuses, permeates, pervades all matter and energy of existence. We are told that on a fundamental level, everything has a magical or supernatural character, albeit to differing degrees and expressions. My example about humans and water presented a closed system: the composition of the human person. I am not arguing that because humans are composed of water, therefore diamonds have water in them. The matter of "water" pertained to humans alone. I thought that point was obvious. Sure, in the same way that you are intentionally misconstruing my argument. But I suspect that I have found what may be the root of the problem in our disagreement here: you. I have not said or made the argument "everything is magic." I said that "everything is magical." But your misconstrual of my argument does appear eerily similar to my earlier analogy, where you equate my statement "humans are composed of water" to the ridiculous reading of my argument to mean that "humans are water." Could you please stop repeating this mantra as a condescending means to dismiss me and the argument? There is no good faith to be found with that. But it is a part of things, and we are told at repeated points that it is. To be a part of something does not mean composed entirely of the thing, but it is a fundamental building block of all matter and energy in D&D's cosmos. You know what you are doing here? This: You are misreading me, and you seem hellbent for some undetermined to be doing it on purpose, especially since you came into this thread guns blazing, not about any real thread topic but about my person. So please go with what my words say rather than what you want them to say for your agenda. [/QUOTE]
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