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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7062054" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Well, "non-violent combat with arrows" strikes me as silly too, but it certainly is genre-appropriate. I would call it 'non-lethal attacks' though and not 'control'. </p><p></p><p>I think the whole 'trick shots' thing simply has to be chalked up to the fantastic. It isn't logical in any way shape or form, and even in a fantasy world nobody would use their skill that way if they were trying to kill their targets, but people want it! </p><p></p><p>One way I could see it being more plausible and narratively coherent would be if it was "something plus" In other words you DO kill your target (or at least harm them as much as the game is feasibly going to allow) AND THEN you also do X, Y, or Z. In other words your basic bread-n-butter attacks, RBA, at-wills, are basically just being as deadly as feasible. and then your encounter/daily shots are those times when you were so bad-assed that you actually did "something more" than just poke a hole in one guy. Or else they're times when you reacted or made an extra attack, etc. which are all pretty unremarkable extras.</p><p></p><p>So, maybe now and then you pin a guy to the wall/floor, bounce a shot into a 2nd target, cut some strap or whatnot, etc. I think if you look at the 4e ranger powers they are largely of this type, with a small number of more fantastical and dubious things thrown in now and then.</p><p></p><p>That still doesn't leave a lot of room for real hard control.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7062054, member: 82106"] Well, "non-violent combat with arrows" strikes me as silly too, but it certainly is genre-appropriate. I would call it 'non-lethal attacks' though and not 'control'. I think the whole 'trick shots' thing simply has to be chalked up to the fantastic. It isn't logical in any way shape or form, and even in a fantasy world nobody would use their skill that way if they were trying to kill their targets, but people want it! One way I could see it being more plausible and narratively coherent would be if it was "something plus" In other words you DO kill your target (or at least harm them as much as the game is feasibly going to allow) AND THEN you also do X, Y, or Z. In other words your basic bread-n-butter attacks, RBA, at-wills, are basically just being as deadly as feasible. and then your encounter/daily shots are those times when you were so bad-assed that you actually did "something more" than just poke a hole in one guy. Or else they're times when you reacted or made an extra attack, etc. which are all pretty unremarkable extras. So, maybe now and then you pin a guy to the wall/floor, bounce a shot into a 2nd target, cut some strap or whatnot, etc. I think if you look at the 4e ranger powers they are largely of this type, with a small number of more fantastical and dubious things thrown in now and then. That still doesn't leave a lot of room for real hard control. [/QUOTE]
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