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A Humble Request: A Non-Vancian "Leader" in the PHB
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<blockquote data-quote="ZombieRoboNinja" data-source="post: 5971962" data-attributes="member: 54843"><p>Since wizards and (to a lesser degree) clerics seem likely to be very old-school in 5e, it looks like those who favor other spellcasting systems will look to other core classes. With psions, sorcerers, and warlocks all candidates for PHB classes, I'm confident there will be some interesting arcane options. But I officially hope that there will be at least one class that can fill the cleric/druid divine caster/healer/"leader" role without relying on Vancian spells.</p><p></p><p>The trick is, I don't see any strong candidates in previous editions. Clerics are clearly Vancian, and it would seem odd to me if druids had a completely different mechanic than clerics. </p><p></p><p>That leaves, from previous editions, the warlord and the 4e version of the bard as potential non-Vancian healers. But I'd be very surprised if the bard wasn't an old-school "jack of all trades" rather than a 4e-style "arcane leader," and Mearls mentioned the warlord being relegated to a theme rather than a class.</p><p></p><p>Now, I know 5e isn't 4e and there are no more official "leader classes." But if the party needs someone to keep them from dying and I don't want to keep track of a bunch of spell slots, I hope there's at least one good option in core.</p><p></p><p>I'll open this up as a poll to see what people think (if I can figure out how).</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Crap, I got the poll set up but forgot an option for "None is needed." If you think non-Vancian healers/leaders are unnecessary, please yell at me in the thread. ;-)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ZombieRoboNinja, post: 5971962, member: 54843"] Since wizards and (to a lesser degree) clerics seem likely to be very old-school in 5e, it looks like those who favor other spellcasting systems will look to other core classes. With psions, sorcerers, and warlocks all candidates for PHB classes, I'm confident there will be some interesting arcane options. But I officially hope that there will be at least one class that can fill the cleric/druid divine caster/healer/"leader" role without relying on Vancian spells. The trick is, I don't see any strong candidates in previous editions. Clerics are clearly Vancian, and it would seem odd to me if druids had a completely different mechanic than clerics. That leaves, from previous editions, the warlord and the 4e version of the bard as potential non-Vancian healers. But I'd be very surprised if the bard wasn't an old-school "jack of all trades" rather than a 4e-style "arcane leader," and Mearls mentioned the warlord being relegated to a theme rather than a class. Now, I know 5e isn't 4e and there are no more official "leader classes." But if the party needs someone to keep them from dying and I don't want to keep track of a bunch of spell slots, I hope there's at least one good option in core. I'll open this up as a poll to see what people think (if I can figure out how). EDIT: Crap, I got the poll set up but forgot an option for "None is needed." If you think non-Vancian healers/leaders are unnecessary, please yell at me in the thread. ;-) [/QUOTE]
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