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<blockquote data-quote="Archimago" data-source="post: 121957" data-attributes="member: 1204"><p>Ah that's what you meant, I know what you're referring to. However, Swift is most likely referring to an "American" as in someone from the Americas not USA, specifically he is likely talking about a "savage" (as the Europeans called them) from the Americas. But this is majorly off-topic.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Cleave w/o Great Cleave still lets you do something definite. Either one of ambidexterity or TWF doesn't let you fight w/ two weapons effectively. You can use the style, but your attack rolls will make it useless until you have both. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Hmm, expertise might be good, but unfortunately it means that TWFers would need 13int. Okay, nevermind, it wouldn't be good. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>This is a whole other big mess, but short answer would be yes, I guess.</p><p></p><p>How about a compromise. </p><p>- Keep ambidex and TWF, but change how they affect the penalty progression. </p><p>- The prereqs of the feats remain as PHB</p><p>- instead of TWF and ambidex individually getting you half-way to decent penalties, have TWF reduce the penalty most of the way and then ambidex supplement it the rest of the way. This means only one feat is needed to TWF, but the penalties are sever enough to warrant picking up ambidex.</p><p>- the current penalty for fighting w/ two light weapons and having both TWF and Ambi is -2/-2, how about w/ this system, if you only get TWF then the penalty for light/light is -4/-4, which is playable, and getting ambidex lowers it to -2/-2. </p><p>Would this be a tenable position or is my other proposal still better?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archimago, post: 121957, member: 1204"] Ah that's what you meant, I know what you're referring to. However, Swift is most likely referring to an "American" as in someone from the Americas not USA, specifically he is likely talking about a "savage" (as the Europeans called them) from the Americas. But this is majorly off-topic.:D Cleave w/o Great Cleave still lets you do something definite. Either one of ambidexterity or TWF doesn't let you fight w/ two weapons effectively. You can use the style, but your attack rolls will make it useless until you have both. Hmm, expertise might be good, but unfortunately it means that TWFers would need 13int. Okay, nevermind, it wouldn't be good. This is a whole other big mess, but short answer would be yes, I guess. How about a compromise. - Keep ambidex and TWF, but change how they affect the penalty progression. - The prereqs of the feats remain as PHB - instead of TWF and ambidex individually getting you half-way to decent penalties, have TWF reduce the penalty most of the way and then ambidex supplement it the rest of the way. This means only one feat is needed to TWF, but the penalties are sever enough to warrant picking up ambidex. - the current penalty for fighting w/ two light weapons and having both TWF and Ambi is -2/-2, how about w/ this system, if you only get TWF then the penalty for light/light is -4/-4, which is playable, and getting ambidex lowers it to -2/-2. Would this be a tenable position or is my other proposal still better? [/QUOTE]
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