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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 7190364" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>I think it depends on degrees here. "Suboptimal" is not a binary state. If someone wants to make a rock gnome battlemaster, I say let them. But for some people that would be an intolerable amount of "below optimal"-ness. They would see it as trolling.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, you can have someone build, say, a bard with no con bonus, no defensive magical item, no defensive spell, ok-ish dex and almost no armor (this was in 3e) and you have an *extremely* vulnerable party member that has to be protected at almost all times. Most people would find that quite annoying... but still not everyone! Some people would say "why not!". </p><p></p><p>(it wasn't done on purpose btw, that player had very poor system mastery, and that's bad in 3e...). </p><p></p><p>I do like in 5e that it's easy to make a decent character with limited system mastery - all you need is a dm steering you away from a few bad options and voila. </p><p></p><p>Anyway - character creation should not be a mini-game IMO, it's bad for the game as a whole.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 7190364, member: 23"] I think it depends on degrees here. "Suboptimal" is not a binary state. If someone wants to make a rock gnome battlemaster, I say let them. But for some people that would be an intolerable amount of "below optimal"-ness. They would see it as trolling. On the other hand, you can have someone build, say, a bard with no con bonus, no defensive magical item, no defensive spell, ok-ish dex and almost no armor (this was in 3e) and you have an *extremely* vulnerable party member that has to be protected at almost all times. Most people would find that quite annoying... but still not everyone! Some people would say "why not!". (it wasn't done on purpose btw, that player had very poor system mastery, and that's bad in 3e...). I do like in 5e that it's easy to make a decent character with limited system mastery - all you need is a dm steering you away from a few bad options and voila. Anyway - character creation should not be a mini-game IMO, it's bad for the game as a whole. [/QUOTE]
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