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<blockquote data-quote="Lost Soul" data-source="post: 7191332" data-attributes="member: 81242"><p>I heartily disagree with you on a few points Tony. 4E is feat tax and if you did not take correct feats (weapon focus, defense feats) you were indeed suboptimal which is the complaint against this thread. Your second point of orc with a certain wizard build is also weak because orcs don't have the same flexibility for most of the wizard options in the same way a human, eladrin or teifling would. Any of my three can work your wizard option as good or better but your orc will fail out of most wizard builds. Its very poor game design for a system built on synergy. It creates cookie cutter classes. You also fail to address 4E straight jacketing character since all optimal wizards are high on Int, WIS & Dex to take advantage of their features. Almost all classes fall into the 3 stat trap where if you play against their build strengths you really limit your choices and miss out on some of the best ones. Just by looking at how feats are represented in 5e its a wholesale rejection of 4E in that feats are uncommon and tend to bundle what would be 2-3 feats in a 4E system into a single 5E feat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lost Soul, post: 7191332, member: 81242"] I heartily disagree with you on a few points Tony. 4E is feat tax and if you did not take correct feats (weapon focus, defense feats) you were indeed suboptimal which is the complaint against this thread. Your second point of orc with a certain wizard build is also weak because orcs don't have the same flexibility for most of the wizard options in the same way a human, eladrin or teifling would. Any of my three can work your wizard option as good or better but your orc will fail out of most wizard builds. Its very poor game design for a system built on synergy. It creates cookie cutter classes. You also fail to address 4E straight jacketing character since all optimal wizards are high on Int, WIS & Dex to take advantage of their features. Almost all classes fall into the 3 stat trap where if you play against their build strengths you really limit your choices and miss out on some of the best ones. Just by looking at how feats are represented in 5e its a wholesale rejection of 4E in that feats are uncommon and tend to bundle what would be 2-3 feats in a 4E system into a single 5E feat. [/QUOTE]
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