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<blockquote data-quote="ZenFox42" data-source="post: 6211433" data-attributes="member: 6746758"><p>I have learned (or at least come to the conclusion) that it is very ill-advised to call a situation by a specific game term, unless it means *exactly* that game term.</p><p></p><p>While Total C/C gives you all the "perks" of invisibility (can't be specifically targeted, 50% miss chance, etc.), I would never *call* it "invisibility" (or even mention the two in the same breath), because that means a very specific thing. And it could maybe lead people into thinking things like Stealth is invisibility, so they can prance about without having to make S/P checks.</p><p></p><p>Same with "concealment" - many spells say they provide "concealment", which might make the reader think they could "enter" Stealth while using the spell. Some spells like Displacement are careful in their wording to indicate they only provide the 20% miss chance of concealment, but others are not. A PF developer has specifically said that having a "blurry outline" (aka Blur spell) is not enough to "enter" Stealth, even tho that's all Blur says is that it "grants the subject concealment". So I think a lot of unnecessary debate and anguish has been caused by using the word "concealment" when what they meant was "20% miss chance", but they used "concealment" as a short-cut.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ZenFox42, post: 6211433, member: 6746758"] I have learned (or at least come to the conclusion) that it is very ill-advised to call a situation by a specific game term, unless it means *exactly* that game term. While Total C/C gives you all the "perks" of invisibility (can't be specifically targeted, 50% miss chance, etc.), I would never *call* it "invisibility" (or even mention the two in the same breath), because that means a very specific thing. And it could maybe lead people into thinking things like Stealth is invisibility, so they can prance about without having to make S/P checks. Same with "concealment" - many spells say they provide "concealment", which might make the reader think they could "enter" Stealth while using the spell. Some spells like Displacement are careful in their wording to indicate they only provide the 20% miss chance of concealment, but others are not. A PF developer has specifically said that having a "blurry outline" (aka Blur spell) is not enough to "enter" Stealth, even tho that's all Blur says is that it "grants the subject concealment". So I think a lot of unnecessary debate and anguish has been caused by using the word "concealment" when what they meant was "20% miss chance", but they used "concealment" as a short-cut. [/QUOTE]
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