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<blockquote data-quote="ZenFox42" data-source="post: 6211522" data-attributes="member: 6746758"><p>I don't see anything in the RAW about secondary senses or making less sound. Probably (just now remembered it), the +20 is referring to <em>noticing</em> a stationary invisible creature (knowing that one is nearby), and +40 is for <em>pinpointing</em> its exact square.</p><p></p><p>Altho the RAW does not actually say "cannot see you", it does say this about Total C/C :</p><p><strong>Total Cover (definition, RAW) : "You cannot draw any line from your square to your target's square without crossing a solid barrier"</strong></p><p>That to me means you cannot see *any* portion of the target, because every portion is blocked by a solid barrier. Total Cover is being behind a box much larger than you, or around the corner of a wall.</p><p><strong>Total Concealment (definition, RAW, paraphrased) : You do not have line-of-sight to the target</strong></p><p>If you don't have line-of-sight to it, you can't see it. Total Concealment is being far enough away in a thick fog so that no part of you can be seen.</p><p></p><p>Since Stealth checks are only made when a creature <u>might</u> see you (RAW), then if they can't see any portion of you, they don't get a S/P check to see you. That's not explicitly stated in the RAW, but is a logical conclusion of the rules that are stated.</p><p></p><p>Thus being in Total C/C is better than any bonus you might want give to a Stealth check because you want to think of being in Total C/C as being "invisible". To my mind, <u>there is no S/P check to make</u>, so what's the point in giving it a bonus?</p><p></p><p>Cheers!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ZenFox42, post: 6211522, member: 6746758"] I don't see anything in the RAW about secondary senses or making less sound. Probably (just now remembered it), the +20 is referring to [I]noticing[/I] a stationary invisible creature (knowing that one is nearby), and +40 is for [I]pinpointing[/I] its exact square. Altho the RAW does not actually say "cannot see you", it does say this about Total C/C : [B]Total Cover (definition, RAW) : "You cannot draw any line from your square to your target's square without crossing a solid barrier"[/B] That to me means you cannot see *any* portion of the target, because every portion is blocked by a solid barrier. Total Cover is being behind a box much larger than you, or around the corner of a wall. [B]Total Concealment (definition, RAW, paraphrased) : You do not have line-of-sight to the target[/B] If you don't have line-of-sight to it, you can't see it. Total Concealment is being far enough away in a thick fog so that no part of you can be seen. Since Stealth checks are only made when a creature [U]might[/U] see you (RAW), then if they can't see any portion of you, they don't get a S/P check to see you. That's not explicitly stated in the RAW, but is a logical conclusion of the rules that are stated. Thus being in Total C/C is better than any bonus you might want give to a Stealth check because you want to think of being in Total C/C as being "invisible". To my mind, [U]there is no S/P check to make[/U], so what's the point in giving it a bonus? Cheers! [/QUOTE]
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