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<blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 7647449" data-attributes="member: 80487"><p>If even BH is only "arguably" included in that category, then I don't see how EG should be.</p><p></p><p>Heck, if a rules set for "miniatures wargames campaigns" such as <em>Dungeons & Dragons</em> has more than "a bare, bare minimum of additional material that might lead it to be construed to be an RPG", then certainly <em>En Garde</em> -- which is <strong>not at all</strong> a "table top wargame" -- should qualify!</p><p></p><p>It has a <em>purely</em> paper-and-pencil method for resolving duels, which is a very small (if very significant) part of a game taken up mainly with rules for:</p><p></p><p>status and social level (the object of the game!)</p><p>disgrace</p><p>carousing, gambling and toadying</p><p>courting or visiting a mistress</p><p>proposing to and marrying a mistress</p><p>conducting a liaison with another's mistress or wife</p><p>indiscretion</p><p>pregnancies</p><p>wives</p><p>bribery</p><p>assassination</p><p>being a cad</p><p>adultery</p><p>births</p><p>support</p><p>debt</p><p>joining a club</p><p>going to a bawdy house, club or party</p><p>holding a party</p><p>attending church or theater</p><p>renting, purchasing or moving residence</p><p>joining a regiment</p><p>going on campaign (abstracted, concern being mainly with mention in dispatches, promotion in rank, etc.)</p><p>investments</p><p>lackeys</p><p>applying for a position</p><p>titles</p><p>trials</p><p>using influence</p><p></p><p>(I don't have my old GDW book any more, so I may have included some bits from house rules -- but the majority are certainly representative of the tenor of the game as I encountered it in its "little brown book" in the '70s.)</p><p></p><p>It's your own judgment call, but that characterization struck me as so bizarre that I could only wonder whether you had any actual acquaintance with the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ariosto, post: 7647449, member: 80487"] If even BH is only "arguably" included in that category, then I don't see how EG should be. Heck, if a rules set for "miniatures wargames campaigns" such as [I]Dungeons & Dragons[/I] has more than "a bare, bare minimum of additional material that might lead it to be construed to be an RPG", then certainly [I]En Garde[/I] -- which is [B]not at all[/B] a "table top wargame" -- should qualify! It has a [I]purely[/I] paper-and-pencil method for resolving duels, which is a very small (if very significant) part of a game taken up mainly with rules for: status and social level (the object of the game!) disgrace carousing, gambling and toadying courting or visiting a mistress proposing to and marrying a mistress conducting a liaison with another's mistress or wife indiscretion pregnancies wives bribery assassination being a cad adultery births support debt joining a club going to a bawdy house, club or party holding a party attending church or theater renting, purchasing or moving residence joining a regiment going on campaign (abstracted, concern being mainly with mention in dispatches, promotion in rank, etc.) investments lackeys applying for a position titles trials using influence (I don't have my old GDW book any more, so I may have included some bits from house rules -- but the majority are certainly representative of the tenor of the game as I encountered it in its "little brown book" in the '70s.) It's your own judgment call, but that characterization struck me as so bizarre that I could only wonder whether you had any actual acquaintance with the game. [/QUOTE]
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