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<blockquote data-quote="Skade" data-source="post: 494643" data-attributes="member: 3320"><p>Happy Thanksgiving.</p><p></p><p>Maybe I should have said a Noble base class rather than a Knight. I don't want to repeat the noble in Star Wars, but rather a class that has some combat skill, particularly with heavy armor and horse (something that only those of at least the rank of knight could usually afford), but still gained prestige oriented abilities or some other ability that translated into the power that only someone of rank could posess. You are right about the savagery of the "knights" however, but I have never assumed that the title meant noble in our sense of the word. Since the fighter class does not deal with even Robb's training in courtly affairs I think a class along these lines would be in order. </p><p></p><p>Now, certainly the swashbuckler could be done without a new class, using feats and skills, or even tossing some rogue or bard I there. I would like to see some greater benefit of not having heavy armor, and possibly not even all martial weapons as a part of the class. Replacing these class skills with more appropriate abilities. This could be done simply by a modification of the original class, but many new base classes are just that.</p><p></p><p>Though none of the major characters have yet been Spetons or Septas, I am sure someone may want to see them in play. I do not remember any references to the folowers of the Seven having ever had magic, but the priest of the .... (Brain is frozen..) Oh, the god Thoros and that Red Witch worship-do obviously have access to magic. Followers of the seven, if for no other reason than game balance should have some sort of class skills that seperate them from simple experts. What if they are similar to Bards in that they can inspire, or otherwise affect morale?</p><p></p><p>As to the Knights of the Watch- I would have to giove some more thought on that one. Rangers seem obvious. We simply create a cold oriented ranger, sans magic. (Or maybe not, we'll have to see what George does.) Stewards, although certainly interesting seem more akin to experts than even the Septons do. Builders would take some sort of siege engineering PrC, similar to the carb class from Rokugan. </p><p></p><p></p><p>On to the Whitecloaks. I imagine if this project were to be done it would be made in such a way that it could be played at other eras in his world. In fact, it may be easier on some DMs. You can play with the themes and not step on the story. In any case, then or now I think the Whitecloaks in the hundreds of years they have existed would have learned a few defensive manuevers or ways of intercepting blows for their king, or other charges. Some of those knights you mentioned only died in the last 20 years. Those days may be gone, but it might be fun to see players with those ideals, and the skills to uphold them. </p><p></p><p>I don't belive I ever placed any particular reverence upon the nature, or morality of the characters named. In these days of Westeros, yes, the symbols and the imagery of the past is simply illusion, a sad attempt at appearsing as if nothing has changed. I don't think it changes the feel of the books at all. Secondly, a PrC doesn't confer new abilities just because you got a new cloak, anyone could be Whitecloak without having a Whitecloak PrC in their character description. the PrC is available to them because they have joined their ranks, and more importantly have commited to the necessary training to learn these specific skills. Nothing magical here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Skade, post: 494643, member: 3320"] Happy Thanksgiving. Maybe I should have said a Noble base class rather than a Knight. I don't want to repeat the noble in Star Wars, but rather a class that has some combat skill, particularly with heavy armor and horse (something that only those of at least the rank of knight could usually afford), but still gained prestige oriented abilities or some other ability that translated into the power that only someone of rank could posess. You are right about the savagery of the "knights" however, but I have never assumed that the title meant noble in our sense of the word. Since the fighter class does not deal with even Robb's training in courtly affairs I think a class along these lines would be in order. Now, certainly the swashbuckler could be done without a new class, using feats and skills, or even tossing some rogue or bard I there. I would like to see some greater benefit of not having heavy armor, and possibly not even all martial weapons as a part of the class. Replacing these class skills with more appropriate abilities. This could be done simply by a modification of the original class, but many new base classes are just that. Though none of the major characters have yet been Spetons or Septas, I am sure someone may want to see them in play. I do not remember any references to the folowers of the Seven having ever had magic, but the priest of the .... (Brain is frozen..) Oh, the god Thoros and that Red Witch worship-do obviously have access to magic. Followers of the seven, if for no other reason than game balance should have some sort of class skills that seperate them from simple experts. What if they are similar to Bards in that they can inspire, or otherwise affect morale? As to the Knights of the Watch- I would have to giove some more thought on that one. Rangers seem obvious. We simply create a cold oriented ranger, sans magic. (Or maybe not, we'll have to see what George does.) Stewards, although certainly interesting seem more akin to experts than even the Septons do. Builders would take some sort of siege engineering PrC, similar to the carb class from Rokugan. On to the Whitecloaks. I imagine if this project were to be done it would be made in such a way that it could be played at other eras in his world. In fact, it may be easier on some DMs. You can play with the themes and not step on the story. In any case, then or now I think the Whitecloaks in the hundreds of years they have existed would have learned a few defensive manuevers or ways of intercepting blows for their king, or other charges. Some of those knights you mentioned only died in the last 20 years. Those days may be gone, but it might be fun to see players with those ideals, and the skills to uphold them. I don't belive I ever placed any particular reverence upon the nature, or morality of the characters named. In these days of Westeros, yes, the symbols and the imagery of the past is simply illusion, a sad attempt at appearsing as if nothing has changed. I don't think it changes the feel of the books at all. Secondly, a PrC doesn't confer new abilities just because you got a new cloak, anyone could be Whitecloak without having a Whitecloak PrC in their character description. the PrC is available to them because they have joined their ranks, and more importantly have commited to the necessary training to learn these specific skills. Nothing magical here. [/QUOTE]
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