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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 8238488" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>It's like saying it's bad, but there are other things that just make me shake my head. Too many to get into, and almost all of them spoilers...but...for example...</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]You have this guy (Mordon) that has Shadows escorting him all the time. There are at least three of them surrounding him at all times. So...then we see him go through crowded markets with people all around him...and you go...just how are those three large spiderlike Shadows avoiding everyone that easily???[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]There are multiple jokes regarding Mimbari and Centauri anatomy that are simply tossed in as jokes...and not very good jokes at that. Jokes that just make you embarrassed you are hearing them[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]Massive overacting on the parts of characters at times. Over the top acting. Franklin and Garibaldi were okay, but Delenn, Lyta, G'Kar and even Londo sometimes went far overboard where you were left wondering how far they were going to go in their acting[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]Marcus Cole is an extreme Mary Sue. A prime example...War without end has him and Ivanova discovered...except he just happens to decide to hide at that exact moment so they don't see him and he can ambush the guards. His reasoning is that it would be the worst thing that could happen at that moment so he just felt it would...so he hid. It's absolutely ludicrous how far they go with him...for me at least...others probably love him to death.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]The jokes...did I mention the jokes. The Humor just did not do it for me. That's probably what I mean most when I say cringe worthy. I couldn't stand the humor. Most of the jokes really were bad...to me. Others' probably liked them.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]I know many Babylon 5 fans will say this is not so, but it seems obvious to me that Sinclair was originally supposed to be the star and fill the shoes that Sheridan does. After the actor left the show it was rewritten with Sheridan in mind, and then with War without end they backfilled and retroactively created a story to make sense with what they had already done. The did a good job of melding it (and those two episodes are probably two of the better episodes, but they need to lay off the humor of Zathras) and making it all seem seamless, but even the initials they use...J.S., makes it the least inventive character replacement...or obvious that they originally wanted J.S. (you can pick which one) as the star.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]Too much religion or religious reference in my Sci Fi. I know many like it that way, but it was so heavy handed at times that it made me cringe.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>There's a lot more, but that's a small set of things that I could bring to mind.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, and this may include BSG as well, something occurred to me that hasn't occurred to me before.</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]It may be more me than anything else. Though there are times I don't mind the religious overtones in a movie or show (the original Star Wars Trilogy comes to mind which has some Zen and Buddhist ideas) a lot of the shows that I don't really enjoy as many times do have religious overtones in them. Perhaps that's the biggest thing now that I think about it. That could apply to many other shows and movies beyond B5 of BSG now that I'm actually looking at those shows and one of the items that I'm not really into within them.[/SPOILER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 8238488, member: 4348"] It's like saying it's bad, but there are other things that just make me shake my head. Too many to get into, and almost all of them spoilers...but...for example... [SPOILER]You have this guy (Mordon) that has Shadows escorting him all the time. There are at least three of them surrounding him at all times. So...then we see him go through crowded markets with people all around him...and you go...just how are those three large spiderlike Shadows avoiding everyone that easily???[/SPOILER] [SPOILER]There are multiple jokes regarding Mimbari and Centauri anatomy that are simply tossed in as jokes...and not very good jokes at that. Jokes that just make you embarrassed you are hearing them[/SPOILER] [SPOILER]Massive overacting on the parts of characters at times. Over the top acting. Franklin and Garibaldi were okay, but Delenn, Lyta, G'Kar and even Londo sometimes went far overboard where you were left wondering how far they were going to go in their acting[/SPOILER] [SPOILER]Marcus Cole is an extreme Mary Sue. A prime example...War without end has him and Ivanova discovered...except he just happens to decide to hide at that exact moment so they don't see him and he can ambush the guards. His reasoning is that it would be the worst thing that could happen at that moment so he just felt it would...so he hid. It's absolutely ludicrous how far they go with him...for me at least...others probably love him to death.[/SPOILER] [SPOILER]The jokes...did I mention the jokes. The Humor just did not do it for me. That's probably what I mean most when I say cringe worthy. I couldn't stand the humor. Most of the jokes really were bad...to me. Others' probably liked them.[/SPOILER] [SPOILER]I know many Babylon 5 fans will say this is not so, but it seems obvious to me that Sinclair was originally supposed to be the star and fill the shoes that Sheridan does. After the actor left the show it was rewritten with Sheridan in mind, and then with War without end they backfilled and retroactively created a story to make sense with what they had already done. The did a good job of melding it (and those two episodes are probably two of the better episodes, but they need to lay off the humor of Zathras) and making it all seem seamless, but even the initials they use...J.S., makes it the least inventive character replacement...or obvious that they originally wanted J.S. (you can pick which one) as the star.[/SPOILER] [SPOILER]Too much religion or religious reference in my Sci Fi. I know many like it that way, but it was so heavy handed at times that it made me cringe.[/SPOILER] There's a lot more, but that's a small set of things that I could bring to mind. Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, and this may include BSG as well, something occurred to me that hasn't occurred to me before. [SPOILER]It may be more me than anything else. Though there are times I don't mind the religious overtones in a movie or show (the original Star Wars Trilogy comes to mind which has some Zen and Buddhist ideas) a lot of the shows that I don't really enjoy as many times do have religious overtones in them. Perhaps that's the biggest thing now that I think about it. That could apply to many other shows and movies beyond B5 of BSG now that I'm actually looking at those shows and one of the items that I'm not really into within them.[/SPOILER] [/QUOTE]
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