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<blockquote data-quote="pressedcat" data-source="post: 3334377" data-attributes="member: 40736"><p>Weighing in a bit late here, and my opinion might not count for much, but i'd tend to agree with Karins Dad. If the fighter wanted to kick the door in before combat began, i'd be giving all the monsters on the other side a spot and listen check (unless for some reason the situation didn't allow these, ie darkness and magical silence). The DC for these checks would be seriously low, probably 5 (or lower) for noticing the door for the room in which your standing being kicked in. If everybody failed to notice that, ok i might allow a surprise round to start at that point, otherwise no surprise round at all.</p><p>The DM seems to have allowed the fighter to have kicked the door in as his surprise action before letting the rest of the party flood into the room taking everybody inside by surprise. I consider this an entirely reasonable surprise round. Allowing the fighter to kick in a door providing incredibly low listen/spot checks, followed by a second surprise action as if the door wasn't even part of the equation would be a very generous ruling by the dm.</p><p>Going back to tv shows, the swat member kicking in the door (or even just turning the handle) usually steps aside allowing the readied members of the party to rush in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pressedcat, post: 3334377, member: 40736"] Weighing in a bit late here, and my opinion might not count for much, but i'd tend to agree with Karins Dad. If the fighter wanted to kick the door in before combat began, i'd be giving all the monsters on the other side a spot and listen check (unless for some reason the situation didn't allow these, ie darkness and magical silence). The DC for these checks would be seriously low, probably 5 (or lower) for noticing the door for the room in which your standing being kicked in. If everybody failed to notice that, ok i might allow a surprise round to start at that point, otherwise no surprise round at all. The DM seems to have allowed the fighter to have kicked the door in as his surprise action before letting the rest of the party flood into the room taking everybody inside by surprise. I consider this an entirely reasonable surprise round. Allowing the fighter to kick in a door providing incredibly low listen/spot checks, followed by a second surprise action as if the door wasn't even part of the equation would be a very generous ruling by the dm. Going back to tv shows, the swat member kicking in the door (or even just turning the handle) usually steps aside allowing the readied members of the party to rush in. [/QUOTE]
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