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<blockquote data-quote="Odhanan" data-source="post: 5170412" data-attributes="member: 12324"><p>Thank you. I will. But don't expect me to be bullied into giving explanations because someone might feel offended for me taking a jab at an argument you yourself told me nobody was trying to make. </p><p></p><p>You can't have it both ways, Sir: either people are trying to tell others what they're doing is "badwrongfun", or they aren't. If they are, then it's only natural for me to tell them right off the bat that what matters to me is what the players at my game table have to say, and only that. If they aren't, then they shouldn't ge offended when I precise as much. </p><p></p><p>The point of my original question, since you're asking so nicely, Umbran, was that the impartiality of the DM is a support for the player's fun, or at least, some players' fun, and that the original dichotomy Fifth Element was pointing out, between "a DM caring for the fun of the players" vs. "a DM caring for the impartiality of the rules" is actually not accurate, and falls apart logically once you look at it a little harder. </p><p></p><p>Now, I appreciate that you're curious about what I meant, and I'm sorry you didn't find out for yourself, which was actually my point in asking a question directly rather than writing a whole post like this. Now you're free to ignore it, take it apart, engage in hair-splitting debate, whatever. </p><p></p><p>What I'm not going to do is let myself get dragged in such debate because somehow that bothers you, and you might use your mod stick because you think "I'm playing games with people". How does the ENWorld rule go again... "Don't ascribe motives to other posters" or some such? Well, you just did, Umbran.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: darkorange"></span></p><p><span style="color: darkorange">Mod edit: Well, you're wrong on that one - taken to PM.</span></p><p><span style="color: darkorange"></span></p><p><span style="color: darkorange">General suggestion for everyone: Next time you feel like publicly calling someone out for some perceived bad behavior, <strong>don't</strong>. That's what the "report a post" function is for. If anyone has any further questions on that, take it to PM or e-mail. Thanks.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Odhanan, post: 5170412, member: 12324"] Thank you. I will. But don't expect me to be bullied into giving explanations because someone might feel offended for me taking a jab at an argument you yourself told me nobody was trying to make. You can't have it both ways, Sir: either people are trying to tell others what they're doing is "badwrongfun", or they aren't. If they are, then it's only natural for me to tell them right off the bat that what matters to me is what the players at my game table have to say, and only that. If they aren't, then they shouldn't ge offended when I precise as much. The point of my original question, since you're asking so nicely, Umbran, was that the impartiality of the DM is a support for the player's fun, or at least, some players' fun, and that the original dichotomy Fifth Element was pointing out, between "a DM caring for the fun of the players" vs. "a DM caring for the impartiality of the rules" is actually not accurate, and falls apart logically once you look at it a little harder. Now, I appreciate that you're curious about what I meant, and I'm sorry you didn't find out for yourself, which was actually my point in asking a question directly rather than writing a whole post like this. Now you're free to ignore it, take it apart, engage in hair-splitting debate, whatever. What I'm not going to do is let myself get dragged in such debate because somehow that bothers you, and you might use your mod stick because you think "I'm playing games with people". How does the ENWorld rule go again... "Don't ascribe motives to other posters" or some such? Well, you just did, Umbran. [color=darkorange] Mod edit: Well, you're wrong on that one - taken to PM. General suggestion for everyone: Next time you feel like publicly calling someone out for some perceived bad behavior, [B]don't[/B]. That's what the "report a post" function is for. If anyone has any further questions on that, take it to PM or e-mail. Thanks.[/color] [/QUOTE]
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