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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 5196842" data-attributes="member: 834"><p>[sblock=OOC]In hindsight, Ashir should have been out of sight for the second volley since he was prone, but such pitiful rolls miss any target anyway.[/sblock]</p><p></p><p>[sblock=Haruka]Max is out of sight. You aren't benefitting from his combat presence class feature (the free attack).</p><p></p><p>Given the nature of the map, even once Max leave his hideout, be conscious of LOS because there could be plenty of instance when an AP is spent without being within LOS of Max.</p><p>[/sblock]</p><p></p><p>[sblock=Combat Presence]Beside needing LOS between Max and beneficiary, re-reading the class feature made me realize a few thing;</p><p></p><p>You are supposed to declare your intent to use Max's combat presence <u>before</u> an attack granted by an AP. You could choose to do without because of the potentially negative consequences of a miss.</p><p></p><p>If the AP is not used for an attack, you can't get the free attack/move. If you use it for an attack and <u>miss</u>, you do <u>not</u> get the free attack or free move, instead you concede combat advantage! You only get the free basic attack or Move if you <u>hit</u> with the AP attack.</p><p></p><p>I have a sneaking suspicion we played that wrong at least once in the past... I don't remember anyone ever not using the free attack or conceding combat advantage, yet I strongly doubt every single AP action led to an attack that hit!</p><p></p><p>From now on, in the text of your roll, specify that this is the AP attack and that you are (or not) using the combat presence feature. Then remember the consequences: Only a <em>hit</em> equal an additional free basic attack/move, a miss means you concede CA.</p><p></p><p>Like this</p><p></p><p><a href="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/2540193/" target="_blank">AP attack, Using Combat Presence, Tide of Iron vs Goon1 AC (1d20+11=14, 1d10+5=12)</a></p><p></p><p>And look at that, a miss. </p><p></p><p>PS: Ashir seems to have an edge at using Max's combat presence due to the fact he often attacks more than one target and therefore will miss entirely less often. Who'd have thought the Wizard gets more juice out of bravura than the paladin. Eh.</p><p></p><p>PPS: But then again, Ashir doesn't have a ranged basic attack. </p><p>[/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 5196842, member: 834"] [sblock=OOC]In hindsight, Ashir should have been out of sight for the second volley since he was prone, but such pitiful rolls miss any target anyway.[/sblock] [sblock=Haruka]Max is out of sight. You aren't benefitting from his combat presence class feature (the free attack). Given the nature of the map, even once Max leave his hideout, be conscious of LOS because there could be plenty of instance when an AP is spent without being within LOS of Max. [/sblock] [sblock=Combat Presence]Beside needing LOS between Max and beneficiary, re-reading the class feature made me realize a few thing; You are supposed to declare your intent to use Max's combat presence [U]before[/U] an attack granted by an AP. You could choose to do without because of the potentially negative consequences of a miss. If the AP is not used for an attack, you can't get the free attack/move. If you use it for an attack and [U]miss[/U], you do [U]not[/U] get the free attack or free move, instead you concede combat advantage! You only get the free basic attack or Move if you [U]hit[/U] with the AP attack. I have a sneaking suspicion we played that wrong at least once in the past... I don't remember anyone ever not using the free attack or conceding combat advantage, yet I strongly doubt every single AP action led to an attack that hit! From now on, in the text of your roll, specify that this is the AP attack and that you are (or not) using the combat presence feature. Then remember the consequences: Only a [I]hit[/I] equal an additional free basic attack/move, a miss means you concede CA. Like this [url=http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/2540193/]AP attack, Using Combat Presence, Tide of Iron vs Goon1 AC (1d20+11=14, 1d10+5=12)[/url] And look at that, a miss. PS: Ashir seems to have an edge at using Max's combat presence due to the fact he often attacks more than one target and therefore will miss entirely less often. Who'd have thought the Wizard gets more juice out of bravura than the paladin. Eh. PPS: But then again, Ashir doesn't have a ranged basic attack. [/sblock] [/QUOTE]
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