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<blockquote data-quote="WalterKovacs" data-source="post: 4497696" data-attributes="member: 63763"><p>Heavy Blade Opportunity does require 15 STR. So for a Rogue to get it, they need to pretty much start with 14 STR. So, if they are going Charisma based to be able to get a great sly flourish, they have to take at least a small dip in their Charisma to get that high with strength [either they dip during build, or they dip at 4 or 8 by not going with bonuses to DEX and CHA.] Best case, is a drow [halfling can't wield the dual blade] going with 18 DEX, 17 CHA, 14 STR and 1 point left over. A Bugbear is able to go with 18 DEX, 16 CHA, 14 STR and 2 points left over.</p><p> </p><p>In any case, you are giving up some charisma in exchange for the strength, so your sly flourish is a bit weaker than it could be. [In fact, you could even get 20 DEX and 16 with a drow, which has the same damage of sly flourish, while also increasing the chances of hitting with all of the rogues powers, increases the damage output of the rest, and increasing the rogues initiative, AC, reflex defense, etc]. If you go with a brutal scoundrel, you easily meet the strength prereq, but you have a high str so your basic melee attack is reasonably high anyway, and the extra damage from sly flourish is a bit lower as well.</p><p> </p><p>So, it's a trade off. The more worrisome fact is basically that it's purely better than a rapier unless you are a halfling [or you need something in your off hand].</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WalterKovacs, post: 4497696, member: 63763"] Heavy Blade Opportunity does require 15 STR. So for a Rogue to get it, they need to pretty much start with 14 STR. So, if they are going Charisma based to be able to get a great sly flourish, they have to take at least a small dip in their Charisma to get that high with strength [either they dip during build, or they dip at 4 or 8 by not going with bonuses to DEX and CHA.] Best case, is a drow [halfling can't wield the dual blade] going with 18 DEX, 17 CHA, 14 STR and 1 point left over. A Bugbear is able to go with 18 DEX, 16 CHA, 14 STR and 2 points left over. In any case, you are giving up some charisma in exchange for the strength, so your sly flourish is a bit weaker than it could be. [In fact, you could even get 20 DEX and 16 with a drow, which has the same damage of sly flourish, while also increasing the chances of hitting with all of the rogues powers, increases the damage output of the rest, and increasing the rogues initiative, AC, reflex defense, etc]. If you go with a brutal scoundrel, you easily meet the strength prereq, but you have a high str so your basic melee attack is reasonably high anyway, and the extra damage from sly flourish is a bit lower as well. So, it's a trade off. The more worrisome fact is basically that it's purely better than a rapier unless you are a halfling [or you need something in your off hand]. [/QUOTE]
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