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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8986850" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>This? <a href="https://unwhitewashthebadbatch.carrd.co/#abttbb" target="_blank">Unwhitewash The Bad Batch</a></p><p></p><p>Be a <em>lot</em> more impressed with that if Maori New Zealander wrote it, not a Black American. Or at least a Maori American.</p><p></p><p>The whole "well I listened to a whole bunch of people (almost none of them Maori), I'm just speaking for all of them with zero quotes, sourcing, or direct input, and dismissing the ones who disagreed with me*" disclaimer is some incredible and stereotypical American privilege shenanigans. Unfortunately most Americans, absolutely including minorities are completely incapable of recognising the extremely problematic nature of them "assuming direct control" over people from other parts of the world's issues (this doesn't just apply on the left, note - the right also does it).</p><p></p><p>It also has the typical flaw of upper-middle-class/academic-minded American leftists under about 30, which is that they have absolutely no clue about presenting persuasive arguments, and think bizarre and tenuous claims are worth equal <em>or more</em> space and prominence to solid and obviously problematic issues. This is extremely evident in his attempts to break down problematic issues with the specific clones.</p><p></p><p>There's an amazing "shooting yourself in the foot" moment, for example, with Crosshair - "<strong>Crosshair is the sniper</strong> in the Bad Batch. He has light skin, a very narrow, long face and nose, a narrow jaw, and a small mouth. <strong>He's shaped like a sniper rifle.</strong> He looks nothing like the Māori man he's based on."</p><p></p><p>This may be one of the most /facepalm criticisms I've seen outside of Twitter. Way to destroy your own entire argument whilst you're introducing it! Astonishing total lack of self-awareness and a completely naive failure to understand how cartoons work.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately the majority of criticisms he makes are:</p><p></p><p>A) Nothing to do with white-washing, particularly of Maoris and Pacific Islanders (unsurprising, frankly, given he's an American who isn't from that ethnicity). He kind of does some white-washing of his own by choosing to focus on other social-justice issues instead.</p><p></p><p>B) Representations of criticisms others have allegedly have made with no quotes or sourcing - some contradictory.</p><p></p><p>C) Incredibly dubious reaches or very tenuous stuff. Like about 80% of the stuff on Tech, Crosshair, and Echo. Particularly astonishing where he makes wild claims about genetics and cloning to refute some not-really-specified "fan theories", based on A) a YouTube video on a different subject and B) A rando with NO science qualifications "doing research" (god help us all) about genetics. That's his main sources there.</p><p></p><p>So we this whole thing is sort of microcosm of what's wrong with American social justice right now. Instead of representing the people actually impacted, or involving them in the process well-meaning but un-self-aware others speak for them (usually white but not in this case), without even getting quotes. And instead of presenting the most powerful and straightforward argument possible, they present an absolute morass of messy and frequently tenuous arguments, which it's clear even people who agree with his goal don't agree on*. Instead of actually learning stuff, or involving someone who is qualified, he just spangles Google and grabs a YouTube video or whatever to present as a "source" for a claim.</p><p></p><p>You could boil down this mess into a few simple, effective points:</p><p></p><p>1) Using a white American to voice 5 Maori-based character is pretty messed-up and should probably not have happened and should be rectified. It's hard to argue with that.</p><p></p><p>2) It's messed-up that Omega has light hair and lighter skin without any apparent explanation, especially as she's supposed to be the epitome of goodness.</p><p></p><p>3) Likewise, it's a bit weird and stereotype-y that Tech is paler than the rest (FGS ditch the "receding hairline = white" deal though jesus) and has a more British accent to represent intellect.</p><p></p><p>Ditch all the other arguments. At best they're distractions. Some are actively self-destructive. But now we have an argument that might actually work to make Disney do something, but it won't fix every problem every fan has with it (and nothing could - because some of them are contradictory) - just the actual white-washing ones.</p><p></p><p>If you didn't mean this presentation of the argument, well, thanks for sending me down a rabbit-hole lol.</p><p></p><p>* = He does mention a bunch of people agreed with his goal, but thought some of his specific points were idiotic. He then, without quoting them, or sourcing the criticism, just represents their points in the weakest way possible (possibly even as actual strawmen, as he won't quote/source, we'll never know), and tries to argue with them. Some of the time he even manages to kind of lose, which is pretty funny when you're arguing with your own watered-down presentation of someone else's argument.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8986850, member: 18"] This? [URL="https://unwhitewashthebadbatch.carrd.co/#abttbb"]Unwhitewash The Bad Batch[/URL] Be a [I]lot[/I] more impressed with that if Maori New Zealander wrote it, not a Black American. Or at least a Maori American. The whole "well I listened to a whole bunch of people (almost none of them Maori), I'm just speaking for all of them with zero quotes, sourcing, or direct input, and dismissing the ones who disagreed with me*" disclaimer is some incredible and stereotypical American privilege shenanigans. Unfortunately most Americans, absolutely including minorities are completely incapable of recognising the extremely problematic nature of them "assuming direct control" over people from other parts of the world's issues (this doesn't just apply on the left, note - the right also does it). It also has the typical flaw of upper-middle-class/academic-minded American leftists under about 30, which is that they have absolutely no clue about presenting persuasive arguments, and think bizarre and tenuous claims are worth equal [I]or more[/I] space and prominence to solid and obviously problematic issues. This is extremely evident in his attempts to break down problematic issues with the specific clones. There's an amazing "shooting yourself in the foot" moment, for example, with Crosshair - "[B]Crosshair is the sniper[/B] in the Bad Batch. He has light skin, a very narrow, long face and nose, a narrow jaw, and a small mouth. [B]He's shaped like a sniper rifle.[/B] He looks nothing like the Māori man he's based on." This may be one of the most /facepalm criticisms I've seen outside of Twitter. Way to destroy your own entire argument whilst you're introducing it! Astonishing total lack of self-awareness and a completely naive failure to understand how cartoons work. Unfortunately the majority of criticisms he makes are: A) Nothing to do with white-washing, particularly of Maoris and Pacific Islanders (unsurprising, frankly, given he's an American who isn't from that ethnicity). He kind of does some white-washing of his own by choosing to focus on other social-justice issues instead. B) Representations of criticisms others have allegedly have made with no quotes or sourcing - some contradictory. C) Incredibly dubious reaches or very tenuous stuff. Like about 80% of the stuff on Tech, Crosshair, and Echo. Particularly astonishing where he makes wild claims about genetics and cloning to refute some not-really-specified "fan theories", based on A) a YouTube video on a different subject and B) A rando with NO science qualifications "doing research" (god help us all) about genetics. That's his main sources there. So we this whole thing is sort of microcosm of what's wrong with American social justice right now. Instead of representing the people actually impacted, or involving them in the process well-meaning but un-self-aware others speak for them (usually white but not in this case), without even getting quotes. And instead of presenting the most powerful and straightforward argument possible, they present an absolute morass of messy and frequently tenuous arguments, which it's clear even people who agree with his goal don't agree on*. Instead of actually learning stuff, or involving someone who is qualified, he just spangles Google and grabs a YouTube video or whatever to present as a "source" for a claim. You could boil down this mess into a few simple, effective points: 1) Using a white American to voice 5 Maori-based character is pretty messed-up and should probably not have happened and should be rectified. It's hard to argue with that. 2) It's messed-up that Omega has light hair and lighter skin without any apparent explanation, especially as she's supposed to be the epitome of goodness. 3) Likewise, it's a bit weird and stereotype-y that Tech is paler than the rest (FGS ditch the "receding hairline = white" deal though jesus) and has a more British accent to represent intellect. Ditch all the other arguments. At best they're distractions. Some are actively self-destructive. But now we have an argument that might actually work to make Disney do something, but it won't fix every problem every fan has with it (and nothing could - because some of them are contradictory) - just the actual white-washing ones. If you didn't mean this presentation of the argument, well, thanks for sending me down a rabbit-hole lol. * = He does mention a bunch of people agreed with his goal, but thought some of his specific points were idiotic. He then, without quoting them, or sourcing the criticism, just represents their points in the weakest way possible (possibly even as actual strawmen, as he won't quote/source, we'll never know), and tries to argue with them. Some of the time he even manages to kind of lose, which is pretty funny when you're arguing with your own watered-down presentation of someone else's argument. [/QUOTE]
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