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<blockquote data-quote="Pauper" data-source="post: 6811032" data-attributes="member: 17607"><p>The Expeditions modules were set in the Moonsea, but AL was more than just Expeditions. Encounters and the hard-cover modules are all AL-legal and have been set in the Sword Coast, in the Underdark, and will now be set in Ravenloft for the next season. Likewise, season 4 is being set in Ravenloft rather than in the Moonsea. So basically this complaint is being addressed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe you don't, but when my paladin was roaming through Phlan looking for people to save and came across Ellison Berenguer, the fact that he had 'Favor of Ellison Berenguer' from a prior module felt very significant to me. Other story awards have had similar connections between modules. If you're not feeling immersed, perhaps you're just not making an effort?</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">I think you're exaggerating the exclusivity of cons. I can't find any hard numbers, but at GenCon last year there were about 80 tables reserved for Expeditions play with about another 20 cycling through the season 2 and season 3 intro modules (DDEX 2-1 and DDEX 3-1); it wouldn't surprise me if over 2000 different people played some AL at GenCon 2015. If this represents 'less than 1%' of the total AL population, that means there are over 200,000 unique, regular AL players residing in WotC's RPGA/DCI database, and that seems a bit much.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">I get that your point is that some things should be more accessible, but that goal stands in direct opposition to the goal of providing experiences at a big, destination convention that you can't get at your local con or home store. Why travel 1500 miles to play the same four adventures you can play at the FLGS in three weeks? Having big, con-exclusive events makes the cons more special, and AL is helping support smaller cons by providing them opportunities for adventure premiers and DDAO invites -- if your con invites Skerrit to run his goat-themed adventure, that's not one every other con will have access to. Congrats! You just got your own con-exclusive event.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Some are. Frankly, I stopped being interested when she disappeared after DDEX 1-3. The chance to play in the 'who really is Elisande' module doesn't hold much draw for me, and that's fine. Not everybody is equally as interested in every story. The real question is, are there enough stories so that most folks who are interested in a story get to play it? People who want that opportunity can petition their local con organizer to invite Skerrit to run his mod and find out. And there's even been a suggestion (not official, but a suggestion) that particularly popular DDAO mods might be eventually publicly released -- there's an article on the D&D AL Organizers site asking that question right now. So again, all this is being addressed.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Ah, yeah, I was wondering when we'd get to this point.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Allowing unrestricted content blending guarantees broken combos will come to the forefront -- we saw that in LFR, and we also saw that trying to ban broken combos after the fact simply doesn't work.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">You're just going to have to decide if you can live with this, and if you can't, well, there are other broken games you can play instead. Sorry for not catering to your playstyle for the 7th OP campaign in a row.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Edit: I was irritated re-reading this after posting it, and after thinking about it for a bit, it finally hit me -- what's so 'flavorful' about a genasi Eldritch Knight with Greenflame Blade that it can't be captured with a half-elf or dwarf Eldritch Knight with Greenflame Blade? Or with a genasi Eldritch Knight with some other cantrip? It sounds to me like you're using the language of the role-player to try to justify munchkinism, which is a) something munchkins have been doing for years -- see 'Stormwind Fallacy' -- and b) manipulative and wrong. So while I can't say you're wrong about most of what you've written, I will say you're wrong about this.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">If the method is so easy, what is it? Let us know how such a process should work, for no money and for few volunteer-hours, and I'm sure the admins will implement it. Seriously. Having a course of free, high-quality AL material that they don't have to spend half their lives watchdogging would be a huge benefit to them. So please, share.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Again, I can't tell you you're wrong -- if you're bored, you're bored.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Based on your comments, though, I suspect you'll be a lot less bored starting in season 4, especially if you can take off the rose-colored glasses about how awesome LFR used to be.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">--</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Pauper</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pauper, post: 6811032, member: 17607"] The Expeditions modules were set in the Moonsea, but AL was more than just Expeditions. Encounters and the hard-cover modules are all AL-legal and have been set in the Sword Coast, in the Underdark, and will now be set in Ravenloft for the next season. Likewise, season 4 is being set in Ravenloft rather than in the Moonsea. So basically this complaint is being addressed. Maybe you don't, but when my paladin was roaming through Phlan looking for people to save and came across Ellison Berenguer, the fact that he had 'Favor of Ellison Berenguer' from a prior module felt very significant to me. Other story awards have had similar connections between modules. If you're not feeling immersed, perhaps you're just not making an effort? [SIZE=2] I think you're exaggerating the exclusivity of cons. I can't find any hard numbers, but at GenCon last year there were about 80 tables reserved for Expeditions play with about another 20 cycling through the season 2 and season 3 intro modules (DDEX 2-1 and DDEX 3-1); it wouldn't surprise me if over 2000 different people played some AL at GenCon 2015. If this represents 'less than 1%' of the total AL population, that means there are over 200,000 unique, regular AL players residing in WotC's RPGA/DCI database, and that seems a bit much. I get that your point is that some things should be more accessible, but that goal stands in direct opposition to the goal of providing experiences at a big, destination convention that you can't get at your local con or home store. Why travel 1500 miles to play the same four adventures you can play at the FLGS in three weeks? Having big, con-exclusive events makes the cons more special, and AL is helping support smaller cons by providing them opportunities for adventure premiers and DDAO invites -- if your con invites Skerrit to run his goat-themed adventure, that's not one every other con will have access to. Congrats! You just got your own con-exclusive event. Some are. Frankly, I stopped being interested when she disappeared after DDEX 1-3. The chance to play in the 'who really is Elisande' module doesn't hold much draw for me, and that's fine. Not everybody is equally as interested in every story. The real question is, are there enough stories so that most folks who are interested in a story get to play it? People who want that opportunity can petition their local con organizer to invite Skerrit to run his mod and find out. And there's even been a suggestion (not official, but a suggestion) that particularly popular DDAO mods might be eventually publicly released -- there's an article on the D&D AL Organizers site asking that question right now. So again, all this is being addressed. Ah, yeah, I was wondering when we'd get to this point. Allowing unrestricted content blending guarantees broken combos will come to the forefront -- we saw that in LFR, and we also saw that trying to ban broken combos after the fact simply doesn't work. You're just going to have to decide if you can live with this, and if you can't, well, there are other broken games you can play instead. Sorry for not catering to your playstyle for the 7th OP campaign in a row. Edit: I was irritated re-reading this after posting it, and after thinking about it for a bit, it finally hit me -- what's so 'flavorful' about a genasi Eldritch Knight with Greenflame Blade that it can't be captured with a half-elf or dwarf Eldritch Knight with Greenflame Blade? Or with a genasi Eldritch Knight with some other cantrip? It sounds to me like you're using the language of the role-player to try to justify munchkinism, which is a) something munchkins have been doing for years -- see 'Stormwind Fallacy' -- and b) manipulative and wrong. So while I can't say you're wrong about most of what you've written, I will say you're wrong about this. If the method is so easy, what is it? Let us know how such a process should work, for no money and for few volunteer-hours, and I'm sure the admins will implement it. Seriously. Having a course of free, high-quality AL material that they don't have to spend half their lives watchdogging would be a huge benefit to them. So please, share. Again, I can't tell you you're wrong -- if you're bored, you're bored. Based on your comments, though, I suspect you'll be a lot less bored starting in season 4, especially if you can take off the rose-colored glasses about how awesome LFR used to be. -- Pauper[/size] [/QUOTE]
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