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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8683080" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>You're right. It is a lot of assumption, but tight knit families are hard enough when your parents are 30 years older. I can't imagine it'd be easier if they were 200 years older.</p><p></p><p>That said, sure. Totally plausible. But it probably wouldn't be a Kingdom with a strong class system of land ownership.</p><p></p><p>People do still write classical music, yup. Also Folk stylings and "Traditional" music based on their culture (which can range across centuries of different styles which is why I put it in scare quotes, 'cause it's all lumped together inaccurately)</p><p></p><p>Maybe. Maybe.</p><p></p><p>IF. POPULAR. If not? Tough luck. That's the point. The option is largely gone, even if you can find something for -some- models.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, you can get it on some models 'cause not all the cranks are gone, but once they are, they are. Same with old style refrigerator units where the Iceman has to pop by with a chunk for you, or Bed-Cabinets they used to use. Things go away and eventually just will not come back. No matter how much someone wants them to.</p><p></p><p>Sometimes it's because of technological advancement, sometimes it's because society no longer likes the thing, sometimes it's because of economics (Those bed-cabinets are more expensive than a good door lock and as houses got bigger the parents could have their own room with no kids hearing the thumping noises... well usually)</p><p></p><p>Sure. Call it decades. Call it Centuries. Elf's got time for it to no longer be an option.</p><p></p><p>Ahhh, but will it fluoresce under a black light?</p><p></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/DfSlQnk.jpeg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>And the answer is sure, maybe... But that's not really the point, either. The point is that sometimes things are lost to time and circumstance. And sometimes they're gone for good (reason).</p><p></p><p>An elf born in the 60s 300 years from now, as technology and society advance to and beyond the nightmare scenario you're describing would probably be considered conservatives...</p><p></p><p>People born in the 60s are in their 60s, now. And most of them are moderates 'cause Gen X was progressive for the 70s and 80s but is moving toward being regressive compared to politics these days. But moderate -today- is gonna be conservative a long time from now. Think of moderate policies in the 60s and compare them to moderate policies today. Extrapolate 300 years. </p><p></p><p>You know what was pretty progressive in the 60s to the point of being radical? Interracial Marriage. That's not radical, today, that's not even Moderate. That's just absolutely normalized outside of racists.</p><p></p><p>I -think- what you were actually aiming for was people born in the 40s and 50s and became the hippies of the 60s and 70s. Flower Children and all, right? Yeah... these days we call 'em "Boomers" soooo...</p><p></p><p>The basic premise isn't "Who you are as a kid or teen is who you are as an adult" so much as "The weight of history rests on our shoulders and the older we are the more removed we are from younger generations and any people who live through fifteen or twenty generations is going to be very out of touch"</p><p></p><p>Most of our rules and customs -restrain- us from doing impulsive newfangled stuff until it reaches a cultural tipping point that is considered "Socially Acceptable" and then it gets adopted by society once it's been more or less proven not to be destructive to society. Except there will, of course, always be a group of people mired in the past dreaming of halcyon days that may never have been that continues to rail against it for a generation or two.</p><p></p><p>And while Elven Society would probably be fairly stagnant, only slowly opening up to new stuff... would it be disastrous for those elves? Maybe if they got into a war and staunchly refused to use those "Newfangled Firearms" but I don't think that would be a serious issue in most campaign settings.</p><p></p><p>'Cause again: This is about D&D characters, not Elves living in modern society which was the framing device and example, not the actual thrust of the argument.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8683080, member: 6796468"] You're right. It is a lot of assumption, but tight knit families are hard enough when your parents are 30 years older. I can't imagine it'd be easier if they were 200 years older. That said, sure. Totally plausible. But it probably wouldn't be a Kingdom with a strong class system of land ownership. People do still write classical music, yup. Also Folk stylings and "Traditional" music based on their culture (which can range across centuries of different styles which is why I put it in scare quotes, 'cause it's all lumped together inaccurately) Maybe. Maybe. IF. POPULAR. If not? Tough luck. That's the point. The option is largely gone, even if you can find something for -some- models. Yeah, you can get it on some models 'cause not all the cranks are gone, but once they are, they are. Same with old style refrigerator units where the Iceman has to pop by with a chunk for you, or Bed-Cabinets they used to use. Things go away and eventually just will not come back. No matter how much someone wants them to. Sometimes it's because of technological advancement, sometimes it's because society no longer likes the thing, sometimes it's because of economics (Those bed-cabinets are more expensive than a good door lock and as houses got bigger the parents could have their own room with no kids hearing the thumping noises... well usually) Sure. Call it decades. Call it Centuries. Elf's got time for it to no longer be an option. Ahhh, but will it fluoresce under a black light? [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/DfSlQnk.jpeg[/IMG] And the answer is sure, maybe... But that's not really the point, either. The point is that sometimes things are lost to time and circumstance. And sometimes they're gone for good (reason). An elf born in the 60s 300 years from now, as technology and society advance to and beyond the nightmare scenario you're describing would probably be considered conservatives... People born in the 60s are in their 60s, now. And most of them are moderates 'cause Gen X was progressive for the 70s and 80s but is moving toward being regressive compared to politics these days. But moderate -today- is gonna be conservative a long time from now. Think of moderate policies in the 60s and compare them to moderate policies today. Extrapolate 300 years. You know what was pretty progressive in the 60s to the point of being radical? Interracial Marriage. That's not radical, today, that's not even Moderate. That's just absolutely normalized outside of racists. I -think- what you were actually aiming for was people born in the 40s and 50s and became the hippies of the 60s and 70s. Flower Children and all, right? Yeah... these days we call 'em "Boomers" soooo... The basic premise isn't "Who you are as a kid or teen is who you are as an adult" so much as "The weight of history rests on our shoulders and the older we are the more removed we are from younger generations and any people who live through fifteen or twenty generations is going to be very out of touch" Most of our rules and customs -restrain- us from doing impulsive newfangled stuff until it reaches a cultural tipping point that is considered "Socially Acceptable" and then it gets adopted by society once it's been more or less proven not to be destructive to society. Except there will, of course, always be a group of people mired in the past dreaming of halcyon days that may never have been that continues to rail against it for a generation or two. And while Elven Society would probably be fairly stagnant, only slowly opening up to new stuff... would it be disastrous for those elves? Maybe if they got into a war and staunchly refused to use those "Newfangled Firearms" but I don't think that would be a serious issue in most campaign settings. 'Cause again: This is about D&D characters, not Elves living in modern society which was the framing device and example, not the actual thrust of the argument. [/QUOTE]
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