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<blockquote data-quote="77IM" data-source="post: 7534167" data-attributes="member: 12377"><p>Thanks for the analysis!</p><p></p><p>1) I'm not aware of any ability that grants proficiency on Constitution checks; the closest I can see is Remarkable Athlete which grants half-proficiency (+3) and requires substantial investment in Champion fighter. Or, of course, just being a bard with Jack of all Trades (bards already suffer from MAD though). This is why I prefer to use checks instead of saves -- that is a very deliberate choice to avoid the myriad things that pile on save bonuses. Are there other abilities that grant blanket proficiency to Con checks?</p><p></p><p>2) +1d4 and Advantage usually require a resource expenditure to activate, which I am OK with. There's an edge-case where long-lasting concentration spells can benefit from someone using <em>guidance</em> out of combat (it has to be another character because <em>guidance</em> itself is concentration) but there aren't a super lot of long-lasting concentration spells where this is worthwhile.</p><p></p><p>3) If a player really optimized their PC to stack concentration, I'm totally OK with that, because it's not that beneficial. Suppose a 17th level lore bard with JoaT and max Con plus a <em>manual of bodily health</em> or whatever has a +9 bonus, and can use bardic inspiration on herself because she has many uses per day, has to roll a 6 or better on 1d20+1d12 to activate a second spell... that's like a 95% chance of success. But what does that really get her? Maybe she can run <em>globe of invulnerability</em> and <em>greater invisibility</em> at the same time? That's pretty cool, but I don't think it's game-breaking at all, considering the opportunity cost of maxing Con.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="77IM, post: 7534167, member: 12377"] Thanks for the analysis! 1) I'm not aware of any ability that grants proficiency on Constitution checks; the closest I can see is Remarkable Athlete which grants half-proficiency (+3) and requires substantial investment in Champion fighter. Or, of course, just being a bard with Jack of all Trades (bards already suffer from MAD though). This is why I prefer to use checks instead of saves -- that is a very deliberate choice to avoid the myriad things that pile on save bonuses. Are there other abilities that grant blanket proficiency to Con checks? 2) +1d4 and Advantage usually require a resource expenditure to activate, which I am OK with. There's an edge-case where long-lasting concentration spells can benefit from someone using [I]guidance[/I] out of combat (it has to be another character because [I]guidance[/I] itself is concentration) but there aren't a super lot of long-lasting concentration spells where this is worthwhile. 3) If a player really optimized their PC to stack concentration, I'm totally OK with that, because it's not that beneficial. Suppose a 17th level lore bard with JoaT and max Con plus a [I]manual of bodily health[/I] or whatever has a +9 bonus, and can use bardic inspiration on herself because she has many uses per day, has to roll a 6 or better on 1d20+1d12 to activate a second spell... that's like a 95% chance of success. But what does that really get her? Maybe she can run [I]globe of invulnerability[/I] and [I]greater invisibility[/I] at the same time? That's pretty cool, but I don't think it's game-breaking at all, considering the opportunity cost of maxing Con. [/QUOTE]
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