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<blockquote data-quote="Brown Jenkin" data-source="post: 372836" data-attributes="member: 2572"><p>Bryan, While I understand the need to keep your List focused on improving PCgen I still stand by feeling that this is place that has lost its friendly atmoshpere. I have been reading almost all the posts for about a year, and it is only since GenCon that the problems have come. </p><p></p><p>Yes OGL/d20 were discussed heavily here, both in threads started by me and by Knightcrawler. However these threads while answering some questions did not and were not intended to discuss how OGL/d20 complience impacted PCgen functionality. This seems to be one area we disagree on, I feel that the PCgen List is the apropriate place to discuss those issues, you feel here is. </p><p></p><p>This includes why dice rolling was removed, both stats and hps as well as why there can not even be a dice roller packaged in PCgen that does not input into any fields. Since random names are allowed why aren't random numbers that don't relate to any fields. Also could we have a next level experience table that like the point buy table can be user inputed. Either of these questions if asked on your list would get the response "Because WotC said so. Topic closed." I personaly feel that these are valid points of discusion and should not be passed off to another location. </p><p></p><p>One idea that was proposed is to have a second list where OGL/d20 complience could be discussed without cluttering the bug reporting list. This would give us someplace official to comment on this issue. And yes this would not stop old users who are checking back from asking where are the lst files and where is the functionality. It would however allow an answer to include a message that if you have more questions please direct them here instead. If you realy want us to start asking support questions about how OGL/d20 applies to PCGen here I will take you up on this, but this will only force you mynex, bd, paul and others to provide support at non official locations and increase the chances of things spiralling out of control since we all know what happens when PCgen complience is discussed here.</p><p></p><p>The problem of flames however seems to be deeper rooted. Hopefully it can be atributed to lack of sleep and stress trying to get things complient as fast as possible, but it is everyone, including Silverbacks on up and the moderator who are being snappish. Since I have not recieved a personal letter from your moderator I can't personaly comment on how soft the paws are being used in private but I personaly find the public response cold and unfriendly. "I believe this question has been adequately answered. Topic Closed." There have been a couple of threads I thought had a real question that had not been answered but I did not want to risk the wrath of the moderator and the inevitable outside flames by responding. As for reporting things to you or Mynex I personally would rather that you spent your time improving the program not interceeding in every dispute. Beware what you ask for. </p><p></p><p>As for the policy of always be nice to WotC for it will hurt us otherwise seems to be caried to the extreem. Yes WotC/ET sucks type posts should not be allowed, however it is enforced and things get out of hand even for "I love PCgen it is a much better program than ET. (insert real question here)" This is a matter of opinion that realy does not matter in the larger scheme. Yes if they thought ET was better they wouldn't be here, but this is not a real attack on WotC and WotC should not care about it. I would be greatly surprised if WotC could not diferentiate between things posted by those in charge and people who use the program as customers. If you don't believe this look at what they put up with on thier own boards, and they certainly would be withdrawing support fron ENWorld as well. If nothing was said about it it would die on its own when the real question is answered. instead everyone including the higher up feel the need to respond to this part of the post as well with a sharp response that including this was a bad thing. The outside flames are just following the example set by those in charge. </p><p></p><p>Sorry for the Hijack but my frustration on this issue has been building for a couple of weeks and now that I have ranted I feel better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brown Jenkin, post: 372836, member: 2572"] Bryan, While I understand the need to keep your List focused on improving PCgen I still stand by feeling that this is place that has lost its friendly atmoshpere. I have been reading almost all the posts for about a year, and it is only since GenCon that the problems have come. Yes OGL/d20 were discussed heavily here, both in threads started by me and by Knightcrawler. However these threads while answering some questions did not and were not intended to discuss how OGL/d20 complience impacted PCgen functionality. This seems to be one area we disagree on, I feel that the PCgen List is the apropriate place to discuss those issues, you feel here is. This includes why dice rolling was removed, both stats and hps as well as why there can not even be a dice roller packaged in PCgen that does not input into any fields. Since random names are allowed why aren't random numbers that don't relate to any fields. Also could we have a next level experience table that like the point buy table can be user inputed. Either of these questions if asked on your list would get the response "Because WotC said so. Topic closed." I personaly feel that these are valid points of discusion and should not be passed off to another location. One idea that was proposed is to have a second list where OGL/d20 complience could be discussed without cluttering the bug reporting list. This would give us someplace official to comment on this issue. And yes this would not stop old users who are checking back from asking where are the lst files and where is the functionality. It would however allow an answer to include a message that if you have more questions please direct them here instead. If you realy want us to start asking support questions about how OGL/d20 applies to PCGen here I will take you up on this, but this will only force you mynex, bd, paul and others to provide support at non official locations and increase the chances of things spiralling out of control since we all know what happens when PCgen complience is discussed here. The problem of flames however seems to be deeper rooted. Hopefully it can be atributed to lack of sleep and stress trying to get things complient as fast as possible, but it is everyone, including Silverbacks on up and the moderator who are being snappish. Since I have not recieved a personal letter from your moderator I can't personaly comment on how soft the paws are being used in private but I personaly find the public response cold and unfriendly. "I believe this question has been adequately answered. Topic Closed." There have been a couple of threads I thought had a real question that had not been answered but I did not want to risk the wrath of the moderator and the inevitable outside flames by responding. As for reporting things to you or Mynex I personally would rather that you spent your time improving the program not interceeding in every dispute. Beware what you ask for. As for the policy of always be nice to WotC for it will hurt us otherwise seems to be caried to the extreem. Yes WotC/ET sucks type posts should not be allowed, however it is enforced and things get out of hand even for "I love PCgen it is a much better program than ET. (insert real question here)" This is a matter of opinion that realy does not matter in the larger scheme. Yes if they thought ET was better they wouldn't be here, but this is not a real attack on WotC and WotC should not care about it. I would be greatly surprised if WotC could not diferentiate between things posted by those in charge and people who use the program as customers. If you don't believe this look at what they put up with on thier own boards, and they certainly would be withdrawing support fron ENWorld as well. If nothing was said about it it would die on its own when the real question is answered. instead everyone including the higher up feel the need to respond to this part of the post as well with a sharp response that including this was a bad thing. The outside flames are just following the example set by those in charge. Sorry for the Hijack but my frustration on this issue has been building for a couple of weeks and now that I have ranted I feel better. [/QUOTE]
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