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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 4924162" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>Ok, that's just silly. The +5 bonus <em>is a benefit</em>. Yes, it has a feat cost - a feat that gave access to various other effects as well. The question at hand was whether there was a difference between the Alter Ego martial practice and just using a skill check to disguise yourself, and the answer is <em>yes</em>. </p><p> </p><p>Cadfan has some very legitimate points about the oddity of the way these skills are presented in the PHB, and I think my differences with him are entirely a matter of intepretation (and the text itself isn't clear enough for either of us to truly be 'right'). But making the claim that <em>this one ability</em> is worthless because of the presence of the Skill Focus feat, which doesn't encompass the myriad other abilities available in martial practices, is completely absurd. Having handwaved away that +5 bonus, and trying to then use that as evidence that this ability is, thus, the only way to adopt a disguise (<em>despite the PHB outright stating otherwise</em>) is a completely bad-faith argument that outright contradicts the core rules themselves. </p><p> </p><p>You can genuinely feel that this isn't enough of a worthwhile bonus for a martial practice to provide, given the costs involve. (Though I tend to think +5 is a pretty big deal.) But to say that because it isn't game-breaking effective, it means we should throw out the rules of the PHB... sorry, I simply cannot agree with that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 4924162, member: 61155"] Ok, that's just silly. The +5 bonus [I]is a benefit[/I]. Yes, it has a feat cost - a feat that gave access to various other effects as well. The question at hand was whether there was a difference between the Alter Ego martial practice and just using a skill check to disguise yourself, and the answer is [I]yes[/I]. Cadfan has some very legitimate points about the oddity of the way these skills are presented in the PHB, and I think my differences with him are entirely a matter of intepretation (and the text itself isn't clear enough for either of us to truly be 'right'). But making the claim that [I]this one ability[/I] is worthless because of the presence of the Skill Focus feat, which doesn't encompass the myriad other abilities available in martial practices, is completely absurd. Having handwaved away that +5 bonus, and trying to then use that as evidence that this ability is, thus, the only way to adopt a disguise ([I]despite the PHB outright stating otherwise[/I]) is a completely bad-faith argument that outright contradicts the core rules themselves. You can genuinely feel that this isn't enough of a worthwhile bonus for a martial practice to provide, given the costs involve. (Though I tend to think +5 is a pretty big deal.) But to say that because it isn't game-breaking effective, it means we should throw out the rules of the PHB... sorry, I simply cannot agree with that. [/QUOTE]
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