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<blockquote data-quote="Trickster Spirit" data-source="post: 6584194" data-attributes="member: 6701829"><p>Heh, I'd agree - in the sense I'm using it there, Pathfinder <em>is</em> D&D. So would most OSR clones / near-clones, I suppose, as I'm not talking trademark ownership here. To clarify my point a bit: </p><p></p><p>Suppose there's a game shop or book store with an RPG section, with three shelves dedicated to specific products: D&D (4E or 5E, doesn't matter for this example), Pathfinder, and a third, unrelated game - let's say, <em>Trickster Spirit: The Exampling</em>. </p><p></p><p>It doesn't matter how prominently they display TS:TE, or how many more TS:TE books they have than D&D or Pathfinder, or how cool those books look. Maybe there's a diehard TS:TE player base in this city, or a lot of parents choose TS:TE over the other two as gifts for their kids, and the store even sells more copies of TS:TE products overall. If you ran an exit poll of RPG customers at that store, 90% of the "I have never played or GMed a tabletop game before" crowd will be buying D&D or Pathfinder, because <em>no one outside of the hobby has ever heard of TS:TE</em>.</p><p></p><p>If you eliminate everyone who's been introduced to Pathfinder by other Pathfinder players, the only new folks who are going to pick Pathfinder over D&D itself are those who've done their homework and have decided <em>Pathfinder is the version of D&D they want to play</em>. Heck, I am just one such individual - when I had to decide which game to run for my group, I went with Pathfinder over 4E, despite having no loyalty to Paizo or the 3.5 ruleset. As an impartial observer of the edition wars, I found that Pathfinder was a better fit for my tastes than 4E was. That I like 5E more than I like Pathfinder now isn't really what I'm getting at - it's just that, in a vacuum with no contact with existing tabletop gamers, it's not Dungeon World and FATE attracting people to the hobby.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Course I'm already in the hobby now so if there's anyone in the Chicago area running a Dungeon World or FATE campaign, I'd totally bring pizza if you invited me to a session.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Trickster Spirit, post: 6584194, member: 6701829"] Heh, I'd agree - in the sense I'm using it there, Pathfinder [i]is[/i] D&D. So would most OSR clones / near-clones, I suppose, as I'm not talking trademark ownership here. To clarify my point a bit: Suppose there's a game shop or book store with an RPG section, with three shelves dedicated to specific products: D&D (4E or 5E, doesn't matter for this example), Pathfinder, and a third, unrelated game - let's say, [i]Trickster Spirit: The Exampling[/i]. It doesn't matter how prominently they display TS:TE, or how many more TS:TE books they have than D&D or Pathfinder, or how cool those books look. Maybe there's a diehard TS:TE player base in this city, or a lot of parents choose TS:TE over the other two as gifts for their kids, and the store even sells more copies of TS:TE products overall. If you ran an exit poll of RPG customers at that store, 90% of the "I have never played or GMed a tabletop game before" crowd will be buying D&D or Pathfinder, because [i]no one outside of the hobby has ever heard of TS:TE[/i]. If you eliminate everyone who's been introduced to Pathfinder by other Pathfinder players, the only new folks who are going to pick Pathfinder over D&D itself are those who've done their homework and have decided [i]Pathfinder is the version of D&D they want to play[/i]. Heck, I am just one such individual - when I had to decide which game to run for my group, I went with Pathfinder over 4E, despite having no loyalty to Paizo or the 3.5 ruleset. As an impartial observer of the edition wars, I found that Pathfinder was a better fit for my tastes than 4E was. That I like 5E more than I like Pathfinder now isn't really what I'm getting at - it's just that, in a vacuum with no contact with existing tabletop gamers, it's not Dungeon World and FATE attracting people to the hobby. [SIZE=1]Course I'm already in the hobby now so if there's anyone in the Chicago area running a Dungeon World or FATE campaign, I'd totally bring pizza if you invited me to a session.[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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