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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7497999" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>Where we disagree is on this</p><p></p><p>"<span style="color: #333333">What I was trying to get at with the Insight/Deception is that because there is no outwardly obvious "tell", to the majority of PC's, if someone is being untruthful, the player rolling high or low isn't a "dead giveaway" to the actual truth of the matter. Combat has more obvious/visual tells that can give a PC a pretty good idea of the capability of his opponent. "</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span>I bet if you asked many poker players, many detectives and many behavior stypes they will tell you there usually are tells that someone is lying. Its not some mystery sixth sense or glimpse from beyond that lets one person be good at knowing whether or not someone is lying and others be good at hiding when they are lying etc. Its also not a mystery (IMO) when you can get a good read or a not good read - as i have described in a number of places - just like the Gm can feed in narrative bits to "show" that was a sucky swing" vs "that was a great swing" even tho they both missed or both hit- a Gm can add in similar details for narrative to other things that rely on character perception. </p><p></p><p>Again, this is irrespective of the success/fail - just a choice to narrate the observations in a way that either give info on "quality" or hide info on "quality."</p><p></p><p>For me if you roll a 2 on a tracking ability check, you get info that shows you that while you did or did not find anything, its a lousy result and so may be inaccurate. if you roll a 19, you get info that paints it as a clear solid read - whether it showed tracks or not. just like with the sword swing or the bow shot or the insight check or the stealth roll.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7497999, member: 6919838"] Where we disagree is on this "[COLOR=#333333]What I was trying to get at with the Insight/Deception is that because there is no outwardly obvious "tell", to the majority of PC's, if someone is being untruthful, the player rolling high or low isn't a "dead giveaway" to the actual truth of the matter. Combat has more obvious/visual tells that can give a PC a pretty good idea of the capability of his opponent. " [/COLOR]I bet if you asked many poker players, many detectives and many behavior stypes they will tell you there usually are tells that someone is lying. Its not some mystery sixth sense or glimpse from beyond that lets one person be good at knowing whether or not someone is lying and others be good at hiding when they are lying etc. Its also not a mystery (IMO) when you can get a good read or a not good read - as i have described in a number of places - just like the Gm can feed in narrative bits to "show" that was a sucky swing" vs "that was a great swing" even tho they both missed or both hit- a Gm can add in similar details for narrative to other things that rely on character perception. Again, this is irrespective of the success/fail - just a choice to narrate the observations in a way that either give info on "quality" or hide info on "quality." For me if you roll a 2 on a tracking ability check, you get info that shows you that while you did or did not find anything, its a lousy result and so may be inaccurate. if you roll a 19, you get info that paints it as a clear solid read - whether it showed tracks or not. just like with the sword swing or the bow shot or the insight check or the stealth roll. [/QUOTE]
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