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<blockquote data-quote="Timotheos55000" data-source="post: 6501762" data-attributes="member: 6788861"><p>Sorcerers and Wizards don't have proficiency in clubs, so they'd still view them as candlesticks and use a d4. At which point the Tavern Brawler feat would allow them to gain their proficiency and other bonuses gained from the feat. </p><p></p><p>The interesting question that then comes to mind is if TB changes the candlestick to a club for a class such as fighter, does it change the mechanic designation of the item from Improvised to Standard weapon? If it doesn't a fighter with TB gets to use the candlestick as a club, and make a grapple attempt afterward. An alternative ruling is that the object is no longer an improvised weapon and the fighter would not get the grapple attempt. In the later case, I'd say that the fighter could make an Unarmed Attack while wielding a weapon and still get to make the grapple attempt. It isnt exactly RAW, but I think it serves the intent of using a weapon in a way that isnt intended. The UA only gains a d4 for damage but the TB Fighter, or any class, would still get the PB and grapple attempt.</p><p></p><p>The image I'm 'seeing' in this scenario is a character wielding a weapon could decide to not attack with the blade but with their fist but still holding the weapon's grip. While they would technically be armed, they're not technically using the weapon for the attack roll, but instead their fist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Timotheos55000, post: 6501762, member: 6788861"] Sorcerers and Wizards don't have proficiency in clubs, so they'd still view them as candlesticks and use a d4. At which point the Tavern Brawler feat would allow them to gain their proficiency and other bonuses gained from the feat. The interesting question that then comes to mind is if TB changes the candlestick to a club for a class such as fighter, does it change the mechanic designation of the item from Improvised to Standard weapon? If it doesn't a fighter with TB gets to use the candlestick as a club, and make a grapple attempt afterward. An alternative ruling is that the object is no longer an improvised weapon and the fighter would not get the grapple attempt. In the later case, I'd say that the fighter could make an Unarmed Attack while wielding a weapon and still get to make the grapple attempt. It isnt exactly RAW, but I think it serves the intent of using a weapon in a way that isnt intended. The UA only gains a d4 for damage but the TB Fighter, or any class, would still get the PB and grapple attempt. The image I'm 'seeing' in this scenario is a character wielding a weapon could decide to not attack with the blade but with their fist but still holding the weapon's grip. While they would technically be armed, they're not technically using the weapon for the attack roll, but instead their fist. [/QUOTE]
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