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<blockquote data-quote="Talonblaze" data-source="post: 5654033" data-attributes="member: 6680256"><p>Because if there is no common language how can even a smart creature understand? If an Orc in their language told a Commoner to move, do you think they would understand? They would have to most likely use force or body gestures until they understand what it means. Similar is same for animals. The difference is how fast or capable of picking these things up is.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Just wanted to make it clear that not all magical beasts are intelligent as people think.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>That is exactly my point, as noted above. Despite there being no relevant language between you two, the dog has come to associate what commands are related to what tasks. Body language is a form of communication after all.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Such would be true if it was the only creature to do so. The Diplomacy is merely to stop the creature from being hostile to you. The Pegasus is another fine example, since it can't even speak back even with understanding. But still requires Handle Animal for training and all that jazz and specifically notes that Diplomacy is only to affect their attitude towards you. But other than that has no bearing on the training process.</p><p></p><p>If a dog didn't want to be trained (such as negative reinforcement) it will express that and be hostile more likely than not, versus the dog agreeing to such usually with obeying the commands. The difference is as a base animal, the secondary influence is negated with a single Handle Animal check. The actual process isn't different besides that one extra check.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Talonblaze, post: 5654033, member: 6680256"] Because if there is no common language how can even a smart creature understand? If an Orc in their language told a Commoner to move, do you think they would understand? They would have to most likely use force or body gestures until they understand what it means. Similar is same for animals. The difference is how fast or capable of picking these things up is. Just wanted to make it clear that not all magical beasts are intelligent as people think. That is exactly my point, as noted above. Despite there being no relevant language between you two, the dog has come to associate what commands are related to what tasks. Body language is a form of communication after all. Such would be true if it was the only creature to do so. The Diplomacy is merely to stop the creature from being hostile to you. The Pegasus is another fine example, since it can't even speak back even with understanding. But still requires Handle Animal for training and all that jazz and specifically notes that Diplomacy is only to affect their attitude towards you. But other than that has no bearing on the training process. If a dog didn't want to be trained (such as negative reinforcement) it will express that and be hostile more likely than not, versus the dog agreeing to such usually with obeying the commands. The difference is as a base animal, the secondary influence is negated with a single Handle Animal check. The actual process isn't different besides that one extra check. [/QUOTE]
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