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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7522237"><p>Note that I am not insulting you personally; just the nature of one of the arguments you are using.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a fair point: character generators do provide significant utility beyond just easy reference. I also think that character generators cross the line of providing too much of the content: a (complete) character generator does make it less likely that somebody would buy the book. Likewise if WotC published a book of just spells, and nothing but spells, I would begin to have serious reservations about the grimoire.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Remember that you are the one calling unlicensed viewing of information "theft", not me. And, yes, I think <em>copyright infringement</em> for utility can be justified, as long as it doesn't negatively impact revenues for the copyright holder.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>These claims contradict Fair Use.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I said, the grimoire itself is not within Fair Use because it is being redistributed, but for end-users it is a Fair Use use-case. I was only presenting that argument to say that <em>use</em> of the website is not unethical (especially since doing so does not provide any financial support for the ad-free website).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, my definition is not the legal one, it is the common sense one. You're making up (or parroting Disney) with your thing about "services" and "consent". Theft is when you take something from someone, and they don't have it anymore. Anything beyond that is the result of lobbying and other shenanigans by wealthy media companies.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Copyright Infringement" is precise, accurate, and perfectly fine. </p><p></p><p>It's just not as good at eliciting public sympathy as "theft". </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Although it infuriates my friends with whom I otherwise agree politically on the issue, I still use the word "illegal" in this case because it is true and accurate, and I think it's important to resist Orwellian distortions of language. (They think that swaying opinions is more important.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You. You may not like my analogies to speeding, but that doesn't make it a Parade of Horribles argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well at least you didn't call it "theft"!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7522237"] Note that I am not insulting you personally; just the nature of one of the arguments you are using. That's a fair point: character generators do provide significant utility beyond just easy reference. I also think that character generators cross the line of providing too much of the content: a (complete) character generator does make it less likely that somebody would buy the book. Likewise if WotC published a book of just spells, and nothing but spells, I would begin to have serious reservations about the grimoire. Remember that you are the one calling unlicensed viewing of information "theft", not me. And, yes, I think [I]copyright infringement[/I] for utility can be justified, as long as it doesn't negatively impact revenues for the copyright holder. These claims contradict Fair Use. As I said, the grimoire itself is not within Fair Use because it is being redistributed, but for end-users it is a Fair Use use-case. I was only presenting that argument to say that [I]use[/I] of the website is not unethical (especially since doing so does not provide any financial support for the ad-free website). No, my definition is not the legal one, it is the common sense one. You're making up (or parroting Disney) with your thing about "services" and "consent". Theft is when you take something from someone, and they don't have it anymore. Anything beyond that is the result of lobbying and other shenanigans by wealthy media companies. "Copyright Infringement" is precise, accurate, and perfectly fine. It's just not as good at eliciting public sympathy as "theft". Although it infuriates my friends with whom I otherwise agree politically on the issue, I still use the word "illegal" in this case because it is true and accurate, and I think it's important to resist Orwellian distortions of language. (They think that swaying opinions is more important.) You. You may not like my analogies to speeding, but that doesn't make it a Parade of Horribles argument. Well at least you didn't call it "theft"! [/QUOTE]
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