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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8914876" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Warcraft Orcs aren't "barbaric". Orgrimmar is a gigantic city of iron and stone, for example. Orcs are some of the finest smiths in the setting - perhaps better than the Dwarves, and certainly on-par. With Warcraft, the Orcs are also experts in developing highly advanced war machines - and not the impractical flights of fancy that goblins lean towards, but ironclad steam-powered battleships, airships, steamtanks, self-propelled siege weaponry, and so on.</p><p></p><p>I also wouldn't say either Warcraft Orcs or Orsimer had a particularly strong connection to nature - the spirits, sure, but those are kind of separate in Warcraft - and if you ranked them on a chart of "connected to nature"-ness with beings like the humans and undead on the "not very connected" end, the Warcraft Orcs would be in the middle, right next to the Dwarves (who would be slightly closer to the humans, but not much), and they'd be a long way from the Night Elves and Tauren, who are deeply connected to nature.</p><p></p><p>The Orsimer Elves - aka Elderscrolls Orcs -<em> were</em> a civilized people with a massive city too (Orsimer), until it was destroyed. You can make a better case for them being barbarians, because of their "Stronghold" structure and Chiefs.</p><p></p><p>Both do share one important trait you missed though, which maybe does point us towards something - <em>both were corrupted by demons in the past, but have since moved past that</em>.</p><p></p><p>The are too more extreme versions of the Warcraft Orcs, too - both from an alternate timeline for the most part - a timeline where the Orcs never got corrupted. Those are the Mag'har Orcs, who are the "barbaric primal" Orcs you're describing, and the Iron Horde, who are tech-heavy versions, who lean much harder into tanks, bombs, guns, mecha, trains (!!!), and so on.</p><p></p><p>The point of confusion may be Thrall, who is basically a massive human-loving hippy by Orc standards. But judging the Warcraft Orcs by him is like judging all humans by Archmage Khadgar and assuming Dalaran is a "typical human city" or something!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8914876, member: 18"] Warcraft Orcs aren't "barbaric". Orgrimmar is a gigantic city of iron and stone, for example. Orcs are some of the finest smiths in the setting - perhaps better than the Dwarves, and certainly on-par. With Warcraft, the Orcs are also experts in developing highly advanced war machines - and not the impractical flights of fancy that goblins lean towards, but ironclad steam-powered battleships, airships, steamtanks, self-propelled siege weaponry, and so on. I also wouldn't say either Warcraft Orcs or Orsimer had a particularly strong connection to nature - the spirits, sure, but those are kind of separate in Warcraft - and if you ranked them on a chart of "connected to nature"-ness with beings like the humans and undead on the "not very connected" end, the Warcraft Orcs would be in the middle, right next to the Dwarves (who would be slightly closer to the humans, but not much), and they'd be a long way from the Night Elves and Tauren, who are deeply connected to nature. The Orsimer Elves - aka Elderscrolls Orcs -[I] were[/I] a civilized people with a massive city too (Orsimer), until it was destroyed. You can make a better case for them being barbarians, because of their "Stronghold" structure and Chiefs. Both do share one important trait you missed though, which maybe does point us towards something - [I]both were corrupted by demons in the past, but have since moved past that[/I]. The are too more extreme versions of the Warcraft Orcs, too - both from an alternate timeline for the most part - a timeline where the Orcs never got corrupted. Those are the Mag'har Orcs, who are the "barbaric primal" Orcs you're describing, and the Iron Horde, who are tech-heavy versions, who lean much harder into tanks, bombs, guns, mecha, trains (!!!), and so on. The point of confusion may be Thrall, who is basically a massive human-loving hippy by Orc standards. But judging the Warcraft Orcs by him is like judging all humans by Archmage Khadgar and assuming Dalaran is a "typical human city" or something! [/QUOTE]
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