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<blockquote data-quote="schnee" data-source="post: 7324987" data-attributes="member: 16728"><p>Oh, those weren't attacks against you, something was lost in translation on the web.</p><p></p><p>I wasn't questioning your age as a way to question your authority, I was saying that I'd bet you're probably older or playing with an older crowd if you don't see it much. On other boards that trend young (like GiantITP) the DM boards are constantly full of issues with powergaming, and the threads and comments revolve much more strongly about optimal builds and mechanically optimal strategies. (i.e. If you're a Druid, play Moon. Land is lame, but if you play one, do Coast or Grasslands, the rest of those suck.) </p><p></p><p>I was also making a joke with 'immorality' and blew it - I should have said 'obscenity'. If you know or remember the obscenity trials of the 80's, there was that <a href="http://corporate.findlaw.com/litigation-disputes/movie-day-at-the-supreme-court-or-i-know-it-when-i-see-it-a.html" target="_blank">great quote from Justice Stewart</a>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, that's a big assumption on your part. The power gamers I've encountered were not just 'optimizers', they role played differently. Like, being incredibly meta, using out of character knowledge to 'win' role playing exchanges, doing or saying things that were completely out of the personality they originally stated - in ways the entire table noticed - when it was mechanically more beneficial, stuff like that.</p><p></p><p>So, for me, the idea that a powergamer is just plain better at the game and can dial it down any time they want never has panned out. The attitude that drives someone to exploit every possible loophole is one that expresses itself in many ways beyond the character sheet's numbers, and they are all detrimental to a more chill table, and the build is the least of the concerns.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="schnee, post: 7324987, member: 16728"] Oh, those weren't attacks against you, something was lost in translation on the web. I wasn't questioning your age as a way to question your authority, I was saying that I'd bet you're probably older or playing with an older crowd if you don't see it much. On other boards that trend young (like GiantITP) the DM boards are constantly full of issues with powergaming, and the threads and comments revolve much more strongly about optimal builds and mechanically optimal strategies. (i.e. If you're a Druid, play Moon. Land is lame, but if you play one, do Coast or Grasslands, the rest of those suck.) I was also making a joke with 'immorality' and blew it - I should have said 'obscenity'. If you know or remember the obscenity trials of the 80's, there was that [URL="http://corporate.findlaw.com/litigation-disputes/movie-day-at-the-supreme-court-or-i-know-it-when-i-see-it-a.html"]great quote from Justice Stewart[/URL]. Well, that's a big assumption on your part. The power gamers I've encountered were not just 'optimizers', they role played differently. Like, being incredibly meta, using out of character knowledge to 'win' role playing exchanges, doing or saying things that were completely out of the personality they originally stated - in ways the entire table noticed - when it was mechanically more beneficial, stuff like that. So, for me, the idea that a powergamer is just plain better at the game and can dial it down any time they want never has panned out. The attitude that drives someone to exploit every possible loophole is one that expresses itself in many ways beyond the character sheet's numbers, and they are all detrimental to a more chill table, and the build is the least of the concerns. [/QUOTE]
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