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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7496233"><p>Good post.</p><p></p><p>Hmm. I was trying to suggest it's douchey to actively try to undermine it at the table, not necessarily to disagree with it in principle. E.g., a DM who said, "Ok, so now I've set up a situation, and decided what my NPC 'would' do, so that you're going to get mind controlled and have to pick up a weight that just happens to be exactly what is needed to make it hard to maintain the fiction you've invented..." is definitely being a douche. </p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">That comment was in response to what was effectively "I'm glad I get all these players who flee from tables like Elfcrusher's"</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Ok, probably not my most gracious phrasing. However I'm not referring to the way you play (that would be "horrendously dull and uninteresting*") but to the assertion that there's one course of action that is what any person, fictional or otherwise, "would" do in a given situation.</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">*and <em>that</em> was meant to be funny...</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p></p><p>Yeah, that's completely fair and valid. I will say that in general I try to avoid attacking people for their opinions about the game. But if somebody wants to attack <em>me,</em> even (especially?) indirectly, I'm not going to turn the other cheek. If somebody were to ask me to recount what happens in threads like these, I'd probably say, "I'm trying to have this discussion, that I think is really interesting, about roleplaying and immersion, and these other posters either a) act like only their version is real roleplaying or b) claim they're playing by the rules and I'm not. And, as my pappy says, those who beat their swords into plowshares end up ploughing for those who do not, so..."</p><p></p><p>If, in some cases, I am in fact instigating, it's probably because I'm remembering other threads, and maybe treating it as one big conversation with interludes.</p><p></p><p>And, yeah, in some cases maybe I'm already in a bad mood and I'm the one who draws first. My bad.</p><p></p><p>So, anyway, I think we each think we're responding to the other person being nasty first. Or maybe Saelorn pissed me off and I hit back and you took collateral damage. Not sure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7496233"] Good post. Hmm. I was trying to suggest it's douchey to actively try to undermine it at the table, not necessarily to disagree with it in principle. E.g., a DM who said, "Ok, so now I've set up a situation, and decided what my NPC 'would' do, so that you're going to get mind controlled and have to pick up a weight that just happens to be exactly what is needed to make it hard to maintain the fiction you've invented..." is definitely being a douche. [COLOR=#333333] That comment was in response to what was effectively "I'm glad I get all these players who flee from tables like Elfcrusher's" [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] Ok, probably not my most gracious phrasing. However I'm not referring to the way you play (that would be "horrendously dull and uninteresting*") but to the assertion that there's one course of action that is what any person, fictional or otherwise, "would" do in a given situation. [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] *and [I]that[/I] was meant to be funny... [/COLOR] Yeah, that's completely fair and valid. I will say that in general I try to avoid attacking people for their opinions about the game. But if somebody wants to attack [I]me,[/I] even (especially?) indirectly, I'm not going to turn the other cheek. If somebody were to ask me to recount what happens in threads like these, I'd probably say, "I'm trying to have this discussion, that I think is really interesting, about roleplaying and immersion, and these other posters either a) act like only their version is real roleplaying or b) claim they're playing by the rules and I'm not. And, as my pappy says, those who beat their swords into plowshares end up ploughing for those who do not, so..." If, in some cases, I am in fact instigating, it's probably because I'm remembering other threads, and maybe treating it as one big conversation with interludes. And, yeah, in some cases maybe I'm already in a bad mood and I'm the one who draws first. My bad. So, anyway, I think we each think we're responding to the other person being nasty first. Or maybe Saelorn pissed me off and I hit back and you took collateral damage. Not sure. [/QUOTE]
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