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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6032387" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>In what 'original' sense? The 'original' hobgoblins were smaller versions of goblins/brownies and far more tricksy, not bigger, stronger and militaristic.</p><p></p><p>That's all I'm saying.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I actually really agree with this. Not necessarily smiling or anything but teeth. I always saw goblins (regular pint-sized ones) as hungry and half-feral... so teeth. Just like a hungry dog would be in a fight. Either way the scowl doesn't really work for me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Couldn't agree more. But that just reinforces my question about what the hobgoblin should look like.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They did do a good job with that, but a lot of people have pointed out slight issues with that sameness, namely the feline features.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally, they don't seem big enough or .. bear-like?.. enough for me. I get that they are supposed to carry off children or whatever, but right now they are just taller, hairy, guys. Nothing about that picture screams bugbear to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the hobgoblins are amazing looking. I also think they don't really look hobgoblin-y.</p><p></p><p>This is an open question to anyone reading: <em>What about the hobgoblin makes it LOOK like a hobgoblin?</em> All we see is its face. The armor looks hobgoblin to you? Why couldn't that armor be on an orc, or gnoll, or drow for that matter? Is it the overall physique? Would it still look like a hobgoblin if it had a different face?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I definitely see what you are saying about the classic goblins. I think this is a pretty common sentiment. They need to look/be weaker, cowardly and cunning. They need to use tricks or numbers to beat their enemy, not arms and armor. They aren't really soldiers like the hobgoblins, they are pesky little monsters who bite at your ankles.</p><p></p><p>And personally I love that vermin quip. Because in my games that is exactly how I define them. "<em>It's okay to kill goblins, they aren't alive like you and me, they're basically just vermin. You wouldn't mind killing a whole colony of ants would you?</em>"</p><p></p><p> [MENTION=607]Klaus[/MENTION] I like your pictures, they look very nice. But I have to say not particularly goblinoid to me. I definitely think there are elements your pictures have that WotC doesn't - and that WotC should implement though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 6032387, member: 95493"] In what 'original' sense? The 'original' hobgoblins were smaller versions of goblins/brownies and far more tricksy, not bigger, stronger and militaristic. That's all I'm saying. I actually really agree with this. Not necessarily smiling or anything but teeth. I always saw goblins (regular pint-sized ones) as hungry and half-feral... so teeth. Just like a hungry dog would be in a fight. Either way the scowl doesn't really work for me. Couldn't agree more. But that just reinforces my question about what the hobgoblin should look like. They did do a good job with that, but a lot of people have pointed out slight issues with that sameness, namely the feline features. Personally, they don't seem big enough or .. bear-like?.. enough for me. I get that they are supposed to carry off children or whatever, but right now they are just taller, hairy, guys. Nothing about that picture screams bugbear to me. I think the hobgoblins are amazing looking. I also think they don't really look hobgoblin-y. This is an open question to anyone reading: [I]What about the hobgoblin makes it LOOK like a hobgoblin?[/I] All we see is its face. The armor looks hobgoblin to you? Why couldn't that armor be on an orc, or gnoll, or drow for that matter? Is it the overall physique? Would it still look like a hobgoblin if it had a different face? I definitely see what you are saying about the classic goblins. I think this is a pretty common sentiment. They need to look/be weaker, cowardly and cunning. They need to use tricks or numbers to beat their enemy, not arms and armor. They aren't really soldiers like the hobgoblins, they are pesky little monsters who bite at your ankles. And personally I love that vermin quip. Because in my games that is exactly how I define them. "[I]It's okay to kill goblins, they aren't alive like you and me, they're basically just vermin. You wouldn't mind killing a whole colony of ants would you?[/I]" [MENTION=607]Klaus[/MENTION] I like your pictures, they look very nice. But I have to say not particularly goblinoid to me. I definitely think there are elements your pictures have that WotC doesn't - and that WotC should implement though. [/QUOTE]
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