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<blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 2865198" data-attributes="member: 14451"><p>Okay, so why wouldn't you be able to use the full thing to learn from, assuming you are refering to the scroll as the full thing and the spell book as the summary?</p><p></p><p>Say you were making a cheese burger and you had the betty crocker cooking book to make the cheese burger. Okay, use the notes from the cook book to make the cheese burger. Now, if you had a cheese bureger in front of you (scroll) you might not know every exact measurement that went into making the cheese burger, but you could make an educated guess, so you could learn from that, refresh your memory and make a cheese burger without having to check the cook book (spell book) for reference.</p><p></p><p>Now, of course you couldn't put a cheese burger physicially in the cook book as a reference to the finished product so let's think of it another way.</p><p></p><p>Say you want to make a term paper. You get a book (spell book) that shows you how to make a term paper. You get all the ingredients you need to make it. Now, you look at your friends term paper (scroll). You get more ideas for the term paper. In fact, most books that deal with how to make a term paper have sample term papers in them, which, for something as complicated as a spell, a spell book should have a sample of the actual spell in the spell book after the notes on the spell. To me and many other that is simple logic. So, explain why, if the actual spell was written in the spellbook, why you can't cast it directly from the spell book.</p><p></p><p>Back in the old AD&D you could. Of course you also wiped it from the book, just like a scroll, so many wizards didn't do that even though you could, but at least you had the option.</p><p></p><p>With the addition of the, hmm, I forget teh name off hand, but there is an item from Eberron that acts like a spell book and can carry up to 500 pages of spells. So, why couldn't you store spells in something like that for example?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree, and I am a nerd in my own way. If you knew me, which of course you don't, the term nerd or geek is a type of honor. We have a listing called the geekfest. It is a bunch of like minded people who love video games and other things and while others call us geeks or nerds, we look at that as a badge of honor, and you should too. Which is why I didn't soften the words, only added in my written intent afterwards.</p><p></p><p>If you are a 'nerd' or 'geek' you most likely got that name for a reason and while those that gave it to you may have been spiteful, you earned it for knowledge that they did not have or understand.</p><p></p><p>Of course I could be digging a bigger whole for myself here, so I will stop <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Along that line of thinking, if you have the end process (a scroll) you might not always be able to figure out what is needed to use it. However, then, shouldn't a rogue be able to do a UMD to cast the spell as well since you have all the necessary information to learn and prepare an arcane spell?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, why would it be a stretch to think that a wizard would put a completed spell in a spellbook?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DM-Rocco, post: 2865198, member: 14451"] Okay, so why wouldn't you be able to use the full thing to learn from, assuming you are refering to the scroll as the full thing and the spell book as the summary? Say you were making a cheese burger and you had the betty crocker cooking book to make the cheese burger. Okay, use the notes from the cook book to make the cheese burger. Now, if you had a cheese bureger in front of you (scroll) you might not know every exact measurement that went into making the cheese burger, but you could make an educated guess, so you could learn from that, refresh your memory and make a cheese burger without having to check the cook book (spell book) for reference. Now, of course you couldn't put a cheese burger physicially in the cook book as a reference to the finished product so let's think of it another way. Say you want to make a term paper. You get a book (spell book) that shows you how to make a term paper. You get all the ingredients you need to make it. Now, you look at your friends term paper (scroll). You get more ideas for the term paper. In fact, most books that deal with how to make a term paper have sample term papers in them, which, for something as complicated as a spell, a spell book should have a sample of the actual spell in the spell book after the notes on the spell. To me and many other that is simple logic. So, explain why, if the actual spell was written in the spellbook, why you can't cast it directly from the spell book. Back in the old AD&D you could. Of course you also wiped it from the book, just like a scroll, so many wizards didn't do that even though you could, but at least you had the option. With the addition of the, hmm, I forget teh name off hand, but there is an item from Eberron that acts like a spell book and can carry up to 500 pages of spells. So, why couldn't you store spells in something like that for example? I agree, and I am a nerd in my own way. If you knew me, which of course you don't, the term nerd or geek is a type of honor. We have a listing called the geekfest. It is a bunch of like minded people who love video games and other things and while others call us geeks or nerds, we look at that as a badge of honor, and you should too. Which is why I didn't soften the words, only added in my written intent afterwards. If you are a 'nerd' or 'geek' you most likely got that name for a reason and while those that gave it to you may have been spiteful, you earned it for knowledge that they did not have or understand. Of course I could be digging a bigger whole for myself here, so I will stop :heh: Along that line of thinking, if you have the end process (a scroll) you might not always be able to figure out what is needed to use it. However, then, shouldn't a rogue be able to do a UMD to cast the spell as well since you have all the necessary information to learn and prepare an arcane spell? So, why would it be a stretch to think that a wizard would put a completed spell in a spellbook? [/QUOTE]
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