Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
As passive as a laser cleric.
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 6110686" data-attributes="member: 23484"><p>One of the "silent" changes made in the latest test packet is a change to the way attacks work with the spells used by the cleric of a Lightbringer deity. Instead of requiring an attack roll (as before), they now require a Dex roll to avoid. This will make playing a laser cleric a lot less fun. </p><p></p><p>Let's look at the Lance of Faith spell, which becomes ubiquitous -- a fun spell that gets used in reactions, in attacks, and in opportunity attacks. Pretty cool. Except now that it requires a Dex roll to avoid, the player doesn't get to roll to hit -- the PC only sets the DC, and the DM gets to roll. All the time. </p><p></p><p>Boo! </p><p></p><p>(Note I'm not concerned about the drop in damage from 2d6 to 1d8 -- that's a fair tweak, and part of larger issues of rebalancing).</p><p></p><p>Are there issues with this I'm missing? </p><p></p><p>Obviously, some monsters will do better and some worse as a result of this, but the real negative to me seems to be taking the fun away from the player, who now never gets to roll to hit.</p><p></p><p>Because it was a magical attack, both the previous version and this one are still drawing on Wisdom, so that's a wash. </p><p></p><p>This is (or at least used to be) a build I want to play, but I want to have fun with it -- I want to roll to hit, and I'd even be pretty pleased if instead of a magical attack it was calculated as a ranged attack, from Dexterity rather than Wisdom.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kobold Stew, post: 6110686, member: 23484"] One of the "silent" changes made in the latest test packet is a change to the way attacks work with the spells used by the cleric of a Lightbringer deity. Instead of requiring an attack roll (as before), they now require a Dex roll to avoid. This will make playing a laser cleric a lot less fun. Let's look at the Lance of Faith spell, which becomes ubiquitous -- a fun spell that gets used in reactions, in attacks, and in opportunity attacks. Pretty cool. Except now that it requires a Dex roll to avoid, the player doesn't get to roll to hit -- the PC only sets the DC, and the DM gets to roll. All the time. Boo! (Note I'm not concerned about the drop in damage from 2d6 to 1d8 -- that's a fair tweak, and part of larger issues of rebalancing). Are there issues with this I'm missing? Obviously, some monsters will do better and some worse as a result of this, but the real negative to me seems to be taking the fun away from the player, who now never gets to roll to hit. Because it was a magical attack, both the previous version and this one are still drawing on Wisdom, so that's a wash. This is (or at least used to be) a build I want to play, but I want to have fun with it -- I want to roll to hit, and I'd even be pretty pleased if instead of a magical attack it was calculated as a ranged attack, from Dexterity rather than Wisdom. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
As passive as a laser cleric.
Top