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<blockquote data-quote="Aulirophile" data-source="post: 5258830" data-attributes="member: 86312"><p>Monsters and PCs are always aware of all effects from a given power, condition, etc., that is placed on them. That part of 4e is totally transparent on both sides, by RAW. Many people, including myself, play it that monsters and PCs are not aware of certain capabilities till they trip them. Like being punished by a Fighter's Combat Superiority. The feat is a specific exception to that rule, the monster doesn't know what the shroud does or that it is being shrouded. </p><p></p><p>The rest of your question is easily answerable by looking up the relevant rules. Hidden is only broken when you make an attack (or lose cover/concealment, but I digress). Shrouding isn't an attack. If you were hidden and shrouded the monster without the feat, it'd know it had been shrouded... but that's it. I'm sure it'd start making active perception checks (which are a minor action), to beat your stealth score, or run away. It is worth noting that invisible creatures have Total Concealment but are not hidden (which is specifically defined as "Enemies don't know which square you occupy"). If you shrouded a monster while only being only invisible, he'd know exactly what square you were in, he'd just have a -5 to hit you.</p><p></p><p>Now if you had the feat, nothing would be revealed. Sneak up, Shroud to four, then attack (with a surprise round no less) and roll initiative. Or Shroud up during the part where you try to negotiate instead of stab. </p><p></p><p>It is really worth re-iterating this: If you look up Invisible and Total Concealment, you'll notice they are basically identical. An Invisible Creature has Total Concealment. This allows you the ability to roll a Stealth Check to become Hidden, it does not automatically make you Hidden. Hidden is the <em>only </em>condition in 4e that makes what square you are in Not Known. Otherwise all combatants at all times know who is occupying what square, even if they are around a corner.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aulirophile, post: 5258830, member: 86312"] Monsters and PCs are always aware of all effects from a given power, condition, etc., that is placed on them. That part of 4e is totally transparent on both sides, by RAW. Many people, including myself, play it that monsters and PCs are not aware of certain capabilities till they trip them. Like being punished by a Fighter's Combat Superiority. The feat is a specific exception to that rule, the monster doesn't know what the shroud does or that it is being shrouded. The rest of your question is easily answerable by looking up the relevant rules. Hidden is only broken when you make an attack (or lose cover/concealment, but I digress). Shrouding isn't an attack. If you were hidden and shrouded the monster without the feat, it'd know it had been shrouded... but that's it. I'm sure it'd start making active perception checks (which are a minor action), to beat your stealth score, or run away. It is worth noting that invisible creatures have Total Concealment but are not hidden (which is specifically defined as "Enemies don't know which square you occupy"). If you shrouded a monster while only being only invisible, he'd know exactly what square you were in, he'd just have a -5 to hit you. Now if you had the feat, nothing would be revealed. Sneak up, Shroud to four, then attack (with a surprise round no less) and roll initiative. Or Shroud up during the part where you try to negotiate instead of stab. It is really worth re-iterating this: If you look up Invisible and Total Concealment, you'll notice they are basically identical. An Invisible Creature has Total Concealment. This allows you the ability to roll a Stealth Check to become Hidden, it does not automatically make you Hidden. Hidden is the [I]only [/I]condition in 4e that makes what square you are in Not Known. Otherwise all combatants at all times know who is occupying what square, even if they are around a corner. [/QUOTE]
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