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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7601049" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>It isn't like time travel is easy to understand or explain.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. Back to the Future involves changing the one, singular timeline. Back to the Future has Marty McFly going to the past, making changes, and possibly erasing himself. In Marvel Time Travel, this is not possible. You *CANNOT* change your own past to make it so you never happen. You can jump timelines, and make it so an alternate you never happens. Upon your return, you'll find your own world's history has not changed. </p><p></p><p>In the Marvel Movies, history is like... a classic straw broom. You are on one straw. You can travel down that straw at the rate of one minute per minute. Or, you can jump to the past or future of *ANOTHER* straw. This is classic "many worlds" time travel. </p><p></p><p>It is probably better to think of it less as "time travel" and more like "alternate world hopping". </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it isn't disruption to "the" timeline. The Ancient One is on a timeline. It is pretty much exactly like the Hulk's. The only difference is that, in the Hulk's timeline, no Hulk came and talked to his Ancient One (so far as we know). The Ancient One tells him that if he takes off with her Time Stone, she and Doctor Strange won't have it later to protect her timeline from the ravages of evil - specifically, if he doesn't have it back in 5 years, Strange can't stop Dormammu. Basically, she cannot allow him to take it, because *her* home timeline will be screwed, not "the" timeline will be screwed. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. Take this instead: It isn't to "prevent paradox". Creating paradox is *impossible*. They could create a new timeline in which those people came back five years ago... but in their own timelne, those people would still be gone. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Ancient One makes it clear - rewriting your past is just not possible. Your past is *FIXED* and immutable. Any past you change is in an alternate timeline.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because, I repeat - you *CANNOT*. </p><p></p><p>If you are in a timeline that had the Snap, and go back and make it not happen, you end up with two timelines - one in which there was a snap (your original), and one in which there wasn't. There's still a timeline that sucks for the half the universe that didn't die. This doesn't actually fix anything. Those people still die, and the survivors still suffer. You just also have a world in which that didn't happen.</p><p></p><p>Instead, what you do is not make the snap not happen. You let the snap happen, and then *remake the people* five years later, not creating a major new timeline.</p><p></p><p>There are still some minor new timelines - there's a timeline where, at the end of Avengers 1, Loki escapes Thor's custody. Our Loki didn't escape. He still died at the start of Infinity War. </p><p></p><p>There's now a timeline in which Peter Quill never meets Gamora - she leaves her original timeline, and comes to ours, and doesn't get to meet her home-timeline Quill. </p><p></p><p>There's now a timeline in which, at least for a while, there's some members of Hydra who think Cap is on their side. Their Cap is unaware of this, but is aware that BUcky is still alive. That'll be fun for him - their version of The Winter Soldier might be quite different from ours.</p><p></p><p>All in all, what they've done is introduce the standard Marvel Many Worlds. The standard comics take place in Earth-616. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is in Earth-199999.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 7601049, member: 177"] It isn't like time travel is easy to understand or explain. No. Back to the Future involves changing the one, singular timeline. Back to the Future has Marty McFly going to the past, making changes, and possibly erasing himself. In Marvel Time Travel, this is not possible. You *CANNOT* change your own past to make it so you never happen. You can jump timelines, and make it so an alternate you never happens. Upon your return, you'll find your own world's history has not changed. In the Marvel Movies, history is like... a classic straw broom. You are on one straw. You can travel down that straw at the rate of one minute per minute. Or, you can jump to the past or future of *ANOTHER* straw. This is classic "many worlds" time travel. It is probably better to think of it less as "time travel" and more like "alternate world hopping". No, it isn't disruption to "the" timeline. The Ancient One is on a timeline. It is pretty much exactly like the Hulk's. The only difference is that, in the Hulk's timeline, no Hulk came and talked to his Ancient One (so far as we know). The Ancient One tells him that if he takes off with her Time Stone, she and Doctor Strange won't have it later to protect her timeline from the ravages of evil - specifically, if he doesn't have it back in 5 years, Strange can't stop Dormammu. Basically, she cannot allow him to take it, because *her* home timeline will be screwed, not "the" timeline will be screwed. No. Take this instead: It isn't to "prevent paradox". Creating paradox is *impossible*. They could create a new timeline in which those people came back five years ago... but in their own timelne, those people would still be gone. The Ancient One makes it clear - rewriting your past is just not possible. Your past is *FIXED* and immutable. Any past you change is in an alternate timeline. Because, I repeat - you *CANNOT*. If you are in a timeline that had the Snap, and go back and make it not happen, you end up with two timelines - one in which there was a snap (your original), and one in which there wasn't. There's still a timeline that sucks for the half the universe that didn't die. This doesn't actually fix anything. Those people still die, and the survivors still suffer. You just also have a world in which that didn't happen. Instead, what you do is not make the snap not happen. You let the snap happen, and then *remake the people* five years later, not creating a major new timeline. There are still some minor new timelines - there's a timeline where, at the end of Avengers 1, Loki escapes Thor's custody. Our Loki didn't escape. He still died at the start of Infinity War. There's now a timeline in which Peter Quill never meets Gamora - she leaves her original timeline, and comes to ours, and doesn't get to meet her home-timeline Quill. There's now a timeline in which, at least for a while, there's some members of Hydra who think Cap is on their side. Their Cap is unaware of this, but is aware that BUcky is still alive. That'll be fun for him - their version of The Winter Soldier might be quite different from ours. All in all, what they've done is introduce the standard Marvel Many Worlds. The standard comics take place in Earth-616. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is in Earth-199999. [/QUOTE]
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