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<blockquote data-quote="JLXC" data-source="post: 82654" data-attributes="member: 2663"><p>Wow. I sit stunned... Congrats! It takes a lot to stun me.</p><p></p><p>I am a DM... very rarely a player, because of my friends I apparently can take the most crap and deal with it... much like the DM who started this thread I guess. </p><p></p><p>I would like to start on topic by saying that the Dragon, using Haste and Power Attack should have mauled the party even worse. The DM did pretty good for the situation, could have been better and worse. Yes, using well thought out tactics the Dragon should have totally destroyed the party to a man, no question. Add in the Wizard in the lair and the other 1/2 dragon and the Ice Golems and on and on... it WAS TPK. So what? Yes the dragon can find and kill all the players. It's a horrible situation for the DM. </p><p></p><p>I could turn this into a "Harm is Broken" thread quick. I too use the Will save and even a save equals 5d8+level damage. Players tend to try to find rules that are OBVIOUSLY broken then cry when the DM takes them away. "Yeah this spell allows you to insta-kill anything without a SR at 6th level and only requires a touch." This SCREAMS error... I digress.....</p><p></p><p>The DM is the victim and so is his campaign. His players PROVE they are more worried about their characters than the DM having any FUN or getting any Advice from other DM's. Players? Why do you do this? Why do you HAVE to screw your DM? Hell your DM let you jump into a Freaking Bag of Holding and Teleport away. This is just DUMB. It can't happen. He let you walk... and yet here you are whining that the DM may "GASP" have not appreciated some of the things you "Assumed" and did. OMG! The DM didn't love every single thing you did! What a Jerk! Can't you see this? Talk about the DM not getting any respect?</p><p></p><p>One of the players is all riled up.... "How dare the DM come here and bitch!" (paraphrased) while THEY freely admit THEY TALK ABOUT THE GAME with eachother! The players can... the DM looks for some advice on HOW to play a Dragon better... and he's a jerk? If you can't see my point then you are really better off playing Diablo or Baldur's Gate. Move away from the Roleplaying table because you're not doing it.</p><p></p><p>I guess this is my "DM's Unite" post in this thread. The DM is so overworked as is, and when things go wrong it's always the "DM's Fault". </p><p></p><p>ARGH!</p><p></p><p>Forget that, I could go on for pages.</p><p></p><p>DM.... I'd just do the "This never happened" thing if you want your campaign to survive. If they do it again, play the Dragon full force and they will have to live with it. They really do think that they can do anything, even reading a thread marked NO to them, and you can't do crap. You're just the storyteller but THEY are the Heroes and you can't screw them over too much or you'll lose all your work HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is the kind of game you want? I ran one... I admit to running one NOW... sigh. It's heartbreak road. It turns into a "Stroke my Ego for several hours pal because the real world sucks and you make me feel all tingly" but then a bad roll or a dumb act and you're Satan. They no longer want to play. You are a jerk. This crap could break up real life friendships. I too need to put the foot down, but at least I see myself not alone. It's all about why you DM? Do you do it so THEY have fun... screw continuity and any semblance of danger? If so then let them just kill the Wyrm and move onto the next Ego trip. If you try to have SOME continutity in your world this dragon is gonna hunt them down and kill them... or at the least Strip them of items... which of course will "KILL" your players in their minds anyways... because we all know Magic Items are so much more important than your life.</p><p></p><p>Players... You guys? What can I say? Give the guy a break already! He's TRYING to be a good DM. So what if things don't always go your way and so WHAT if he gets frustrated and tries to get some advice. You PROVE the point why DM's cannot talk to their players! You get all pissy and mad instantly and begin threatening. Typical child-like behavior. This is why DM's sometimes come and ask OTHERS for adivce. You have all the other players... the DM don't. So just back off and try to roleplay. That's your only job. You REALLY think a character in a gameworld who knows all kinds of legends about dragons and such would just Dive in on such a Huge dragon? Really? Must be really familiar with ressurection and such? Ahh forget it I just sound patronizing. How about just give the Guy a Break. Why don't YOU DM for a while then? See how crappy it is THEN get back to us?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JLXC, post: 82654, member: 2663"] Wow. I sit stunned... Congrats! It takes a lot to stun me. I am a DM... very rarely a player, because of my friends I apparently can take the most crap and deal with it... much like the DM who started this thread I guess. I would like to start on topic by saying that the Dragon, using Haste and Power Attack should have mauled the party even worse. The DM did pretty good for the situation, could have been better and worse. Yes, using well thought out tactics the Dragon should have totally destroyed the party to a man, no question. Add in the Wizard in the lair and the other 1/2 dragon and the Ice Golems and on and on... it WAS TPK. So what? Yes the dragon can find and kill all the players. It's a horrible situation for the DM. I could turn this into a "Harm is Broken" thread quick. I too use the Will save and even a save equals 5d8+level damage. Players tend to try to find rules that are OBVIOUSLY broken then cry when the DM takes them away. "Yeah this spell allows you to insta-kill anything without a SR at 6th level and only requires a touch." This SCREAMS error... I digress..... The DM is the victim and so is his campaign. His players PROVE they are more worried about their characters than the DM having any FUN or getting any Advice from other DM's. Players? Why do you do this? Why do you HAVE to screw your DM? Hell your DM let you jump into a Freaking Bag of Holding and Teleport away. This is just DUMB. It can't happen. He let you walk... and yet here you are whining that the DM may "GASP" have not appreciated some of the things you "Assumed" and did. OMG! The DM didn't love every single thing you did! What a Jerk! Can't you see this? Talk about the DM not getting any respect? One of the players is all riled up.... "How dare the DM come here and bitch!" (paraphrased) while THEY freely admit THEY TALK ABOUT THE GAME with eachother! The players can... the DM looks for some advice on HOW to play a Dragon better... and he's a jerk? If you can't see my point then you are really better off playing Diablo or Baldur's Gate. Move away from the Roleplaying table because you're not doing it. I guess this is my "DM's Unite" post in this thread. The DM is so overworked as is, and when things go wrong it's always the "DM's Fault". ARGH! Forget that, I could go on for pages. DM.... I'd just do the "This never happened" thing if you want your campaign to survive. If they do it again, play the Dragon full force and they will have to live with it. They really do think that they can do anything, even reading a thread marked NO to them, and you can't do crap. You're just the storyteller but THEY are the Heroes and you can't screw them over too much or you'll lose all your work HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is the kind of game you want? I ran one... I admit to running one NOW... sigh. It's heartbreak road. It turns into a "Stroke my Ego for several hours pal because the real world sucks and you make me feel all tingly" but then a bad roll or a dumb act and you're Satan. They no longer want to play. You are a jerk. This crap could break up real life friendships. I too need to put the foot down, but at least I see myself not alone. It's all about why you DM? Do you do it so THEY have fun... screw continuity and any semblance of danger? If so then let them just kill the Wyrm and move onto the next Ego trip. If you try to have SOME continutity in your world this dragon is gonna hunt them down and kill them... or at the least Strip them of items... which of course will "KILL" your players in their minds anyways... because we all know Magic Items are so much more important than your life. Players... You guys? What can I say? Give the guy a break already! He's TRYING to be a good DM. So what if things don't always go your way and so WHAT if he gets frustrated and tries to get some advice. You PROVE the point why DM's cannot talk to their players! You get all pissy and mad instantly and begin threatening. Typical child-like behavior. This is why DM's sometimes come and ask OTHERS for adivce. You have all the other players... the DM don't. So just back off and try to roleplay. That's your only job. You REALLY think a character in a gameworld who knows all kinds of legends about dragons and such would just Dive in on such a Huge dragon? Really? Must be really familiar with ressurection and such? Ahh forget it I just sound patronizing. How about just give the Guy a Break. Why don't YOU DM for a while then? See how crappy it is THEN get back to us? [/QUOTE]
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